98bonerSTOCKshee Posted February 24, 2005 Report Posted February 24, 2005 My buddy has a trinity stadge 4 (the small bore I think)with 2 38's and the trinity pipe. We had hell @ Glamis this past weekend with the damn thing. It had delta reeds on it until it broken a reed saturday, he went and found some stock cages and put those in... It just seems to load up unless you can keep it midrange and up.... I was telling him about your 'shee's 2 to 1 setup, and he's interested in learning more.. what carb size are you running, can he use his 38 as a single? I told him to get rid of the trinity and get the stockers... My shit smokes him the way his trinity runs now, surely that ain't right! Quote
theeechozen1 Posted February 24, 2005 Report Posted February 24, 2005 I am running a 38mm PWK on my trinity intake, runs awsome! no complaints at all, I should have my cylinders back from getting ported next week, so I will see if it still cuts the mustard. Quote
98bonerSTOCKshee Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Posted February 25, 2005 I am running a 38mm PWK on my trinity intake, runs awsome! no complaints at all, I should have my cylinders back from getting ported next week, so I will see if it still cuts the mustard. 329252[/snapback] he bought the bike with the trinity cheetah motor, what are the pro and cons of these powervalve motors? Quote
boonman Posted February 25, 2005 Report Posted February 25, 2005 Sredish is on vacation for the weekend. Quote
rocketpig Posted February 25, 2005 Report Posted February 25, 2005 My buddy has a trinity stadge 4 (the small bore I think)with 2 38's and the trinity pipe. We had hell @ Glamis this past weekend with the damn thing. It had delta reeds on it until it broken a reed saturday, he went and found some stock cages and put those in... It just seems to load up unless you can keep it midrange and up.... I was telling him about your 'shee's 2 to 1 setup, and he's interested in learning more.. what carb size are you running, can he use his 38 as a single? I told him to get rid of the trinity and get the stockers... My shit smokes him the way his trinity runs now, surely that ain't right! 329228[/snapback] Your buddy bought a Stage IV port job and 38mm carbs with a stock bore motor? That's a drag race setup. It's supposed to only run from the mid to top end. And 38mm carbs are complete overkill on a motor that small. We usually only recommend 38mm's when you're running larger than 500cc. You are completely over-carbureted with that current setup. Quote
theeechozen1 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Posted February 25, 2005 if your buddy is running a cheetah set-up I would stick to double carbs Quote
rocketpig Posted February 25, 2005 Report Posted February 25, 2005 if your buddy is running a cheetah set-up I would stick to double carbs 329702[/snapback] He's right... If he is running a Cheetah, stick to dual carbs, especially if he got Stage IV porting... The powervalves should give enough bottom end to eliminate the need for a CV carb. But if you're beating a Cheetah with your stock cylinders, your buddy has something VERY wrong with his setup. There should be absolutely no contest between the two. Quote
98bonerSTOCKshee Posted February 26, 2005 Author Report Posted February 26, 2005 He's right... If he is running a Cheetah, stick to dual carbs, especially if he got Stage IV porting... The powervalves should give enough bottom end to eliminate the need for a CV carb. But if you're beating a Cheetah with your stock cylinders, your buddy has something VERY wrong with his setup. There should be absolutely no contest between the two. 329706[/snapback] yeah it's a cheetah motor they have powervalves right? He told me it's the small cheetah bore what ever that means (I think 402 or sumthing) I told him that it's for drag and that the 38's are huge, he was complaining cause I was getting atleast twice as much gas mileage... This motor doesn't fit his riding style, I think he would trade for stock cylinders if anyone was interested... Quote
98bonerSTOCKshee Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Posted February 27, 2005 Sredish is on vacation for the weekend. 329661[/snapback] is he home yet?? Quote
banshee76179 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Posted February 27, 2005 He prolly on the Honda forum.... Quote
rocketpig Posted February 28, 2005 Report Posted February 28, 2005 yeah it's a cheetah motor they have powervalves right? He told me it's the small cheetah bore what ever that means (I think 402 or sumthing) I told him that it's for drag and that the 38's are huge, he was complaining cause I was getting atleast twice as much gas mileage... This motor doesn't fit his riding style, I think he would trade for stock cylinders if anyone was interested... 330022[/snapback] We offer the Cheetah in 400cc and 421cc sizes. He should eBay the 38mms and pick up some 35mms. That motor (since it was ported for drag racing) should be top-heavy, but if it has powervalves, there should still be some bottom end if it's tuned correctly. Your buddy might want to try switching out the carbs for smaller units and then really spend some time tuning it. There's no way stock cylinders should even be close to that Cheetah engine power-wise. Quote
jinx44 Posted February 28, 2005 Report Posted February 28, 2005 I agree 34PJ's or 35 PWK's would be much better. I don't think they even make a single carb setup for the cheetahs. The cheetah's use the CR intakes. Ditch the PV's. Pull the springs out and see if that helps. I have seen the PV's sticking and it causes the problem you are talking about. A 4mm stock cylinder can easily turn the power of the 400 trinity cheetah. I am running inframes on gas and am less than 10HP less than a friends 400 cheetah with out of frames and alky. Quote
rocketpig Posted February 28, 2005 Report Posted February 28, 2005 I agree 34PJ's or 35 PWK's would be much better. I don't think they even make a single carb setup for the cheetahs. The cheetah's use the CR intakes. Ditch the PV's. Pull the springs out and see if that helps. I have seen the PV's sticking and it causes the problem you are talking about. A 4mm stock cylinder can easily turn the power of the 400 trinity cheetah. I am running inframes on gas and am less than 10HP less than a friends 400 cheetah with out of frames and alky. 331154[/snapback] On alcohol and with out of frame pipes, your friend should be turning well over 70 hp and probably somewhere in the low 80s with a 400cc Cheetah. That usually what we get out of our 400cc alky Cheetahs. Quote
98bonerSTOCKshee Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Posted March 1, 2005 hum...all this is so helpful.. (do I really wanna tell him? LOL hell I can smoke a trinity!) Just joking... What's this about pulling the powerValves apart? Is it permanent or just a process of elimination? Another thing I thought of.. at 600' elevation he said he was around 130 psi with both cylinders the same. I was thinking that it should be way higher, am I wrong? Shouldn't he be on race gas? He say's it is a trinity stadge iv . I don't no squat about the trinity stuff so I have no real way of telling what's up, the 'shee was already set up when he bought it..(Previous owner bought parts from Trinity and had hi's shop put it together ...) I know for sure it's got powerValves you can't miss them suckers.. But as far as the porting Quote
rocketpig Posted March 1, 2005 Report Posted March 1, 2005 hum...all this is so helpful.. (do I really wanna tell him? LOL hell I can smoke a trinity!) Just joking... What's this about pulling the powerValves apart? Is it permanent or just a process of elimination? Another thing I thought of.. at 600' elevation he said he was around 130 psi with both cylinders the same. I was thinking that it should be way higher, am I wrong? Shouldn't he be on race gas? He say's it is a trinity stadge iv . I don't no squat about the trinity stuff so I have no real way of telling what's up, the 'shee was already set up when he bought it..(Previous owner bought parts from Trinity and had hi's shop put it together ...) I know for sure it's got powerValves you can't miss them suckers.. But as far as the porting 331403[/snapback] Stock Banshee compression should be around 110-130... If he's running alky, it should be around 200. He shouldn't even bother running race gas at that compression. He can order new domes if he wants to bump his compression (highly recommended). Quote
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