justinklumb29 Posted October 16, 2004 Report Posted October 16, 2004 i just rebuilt my brothers shee, all stock except for a k&n, bored .60over, she holds about 110 on each side now on a cold engine. The thing is, it starts really hard, about 20 kicks, even had to pop it once. It is almost broken in, so it hasnt really been riden yet. But i was wondering if running it richer would cause it to start harder. Mixing 24:1 for the break in and the main jet might be 1 to high, will this cause hard starting? Thanks Justin Quote
FIRST BANSHEE Posted October 17, 2004 Report Posted October 17, 2004 Just wondering if it started easy the first time, and got harder each time after. you could have fouled your plugs if you're running to rich. I would check that first. Quote
justinklumb29 Posted October 17, 2004 Author Report Posted October 17, 2004 the plugs were brand new, it started hard the first time, and when i check the plugs they dont look fouled at all. Quote
justinklumb29 Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 bump, come on guys, it starts really hard, takes about 3-4 mins just to start her Quote
MotulMonsta Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 If it pops..it's not getting enough fuel. change the jetting. Also check your spark. When I rebuilt my machine the first time, it had the same issues. one of my jets was clogged and it was too lean. When I last rebuilt my shee....she started on the first kick..no bullshitting. Of course I had done a complete rebuild frame and all. replaced the entire electrical system. Tired of the intermitten sparks, days of no starts and just plain tempramenatal status. Now she'll start on the first kick almost every time and if by the third kick..usualy I forgot to put the key in and then it'll start right up. Your overlooking somthing simple. don't be lazy..tear it apart and look for something wrong..then fix it. Don't know how many times I would be kicking myself in the ass at the track because I overlooked somthing simple. Quote
justinklumb29 Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 it has a somewhat newer coil, but i will go back and check some stuff out, I know that the carbs are all good, took them all apart while the cylinders were gone and cleaned them out realyy good, it dont bog or nothing, just really hard to start, once it is warm it usually statrs first kick, but its a bitch to start when cold Quote
MotulMonsta Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 Go up on the mains. It's running lean. Quote
justinklumb29 Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Posted October 19, 2004 before the rebuilt she had 210's in her and while it was getting rebuilt i took the carbs complety apart and stuck some 230's in there for a stock shee with a filter, that is still too lean? I will try richer though, Quote
fixitrod Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 You're running 24:1... that makes the fuel mixture lean on fuel. Starting has to do with the pilot circuit. You're not going to kick it hard enough to make the fuel pull across that main jet. I've seen a pilot that had some link clogging it make it run bad. Make sure you have the choke tube between the carbs!! and the slides are in correct... cut away to the back. The cut away being on the bottom of the slide. Those are a few things people forget when putting them back together. Quote
justinklumb29 Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Posted October 20, 2004 chocke tube it there, slides are in there too, so what you are saying that the gas and oil is too thick to get through the jets? I dont know if i completly understood you. Should i just live with the hard starting till the tank is gone, then start running 32:1 or 40:1? Or should I go up on the mains Quote
FIRST BANSHEE Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 chocke tube it there, slides are in there too, so what you are saying that the gas and oil is too thick to get through the jets? I dont know if i completly understood you. Should i just live with the hard starting till the tank is gone, then start running 32:1 or 40:1? Or should I go up on the mains He's not saying the gas is to thick, he stated the more oil you use the less gas ther is, making your fuel/oil ratio lean on the fuel side Quote
zzzz Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 If you cleaned your carbs, make sure you didn't reverse the float bowls. The bowl on the left carb should have a gold ring on the front of it. It has something to do with the choke, so if they get switched, your bike will start hard cold, but start easy once it is warm. Quote
MotulMonsta Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 Did you count the airscrew turns? try tuning it out..It's an old trick to get more gas through the pilot..see if that helps. Quote
fixitrod Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 chocke tube it there, slides are in there too, so what you are saying that the gas and oil is too thick to get through the jets? I dont know if i completly understood you. Should i just live with the hard starting till the tank is gone, then start running 32:1 or 40:1? Or should I go up on the mains He's not saying the gas is to thick, he stated the more oil you use the less gas ther is, making your fuel/oil ratio lean on the fuel side Exactly... it was just a comment. Maybe you are to lean on the choke circuit will that much oil. Mine is usually hard to start after a rebuild but only the first time. After that it's usually fine. Your compression will go up after the rings seat also. Quote
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