23champ Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 I recently had my motor worked over by passion racing(12port, 4mm stroker,longrod). While I had it apart I figured I might as well put a new clutch in it (barnette dirt digger w/heavy duty springs). Got it back together and it ran pretty good, but not as good as i was expecting. maybe do to the stock carbs, I had a lot of trouble jetting them in and never did get it right. So I went ahead and dropped another $500 into carbs I mean what the hell right I've only got about $1500 in the motor already, why not bring the old grand total up to an even $2000. But Jim told me big carbs will solve all my problems, and turn it into a whole different bike. Well he was right. I recieved the carbs and intake Friday,got off work at 10:00pm stayed up till about 2:00am installing everything. Rode it for the first time the next morning"down a gravel road" and holy smokes did that bitch rip. The fastest banshee Ive ever rode -By A Long Shot-. So I loaded it up and took it to the local anual dirt drag race that i had been waiting all year for. You dont win anything, but its one hell of a good time. Showed up thinkin I was gonna kick some ass....Wrong.... I pulled up to the the line(the tackiest dirt i ever saw) dropped the hammer on that bitch and burnt the shit out of the clutch the whole way down the track (and yes it was adjusted properly). so i was thinking about a lock up clutch, but don't know how they work. Can i still TRAIL ride with it? do I have to do a case mod with a quick change clutch cover? Maybe i should just go with a differnt brand clutch? I dont know. Can someone please tell me how the lock-up works. Quote
Cotton eyed Joe Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 I recently had my motor worked over by passion racing(12port, 4mm stroker,longrod). While I had it apart I figured I might as well put a new clutch in it (barnette dirt digger w/heavy duty springs). Got it back together and it ran pretty good, but not as good as i was expecting. maybe do to the stock carbs, I had a lot of trouble jetting them in and never did get it right. So I went ahead and dropped another $500 into carbs I mean what the hell right I've only got about $1500 in the motor already, why not bring the old grand total up to an even $2000. But Jim told me big carbs will solve all my problems, and turn it into a whole different bike. Well he was right. I recieved the carbs and intake Friday,got off work at 10:00pm stayed up till about 2:00am installing everything. Rode it for the first time the next morning"down a gravel road" and holy smokes did that bitch rip. The fastest banshee Ive ever rode -By A Long Shot-. So I loaded it up and took it to the local anual dirt drag race that i had been waiting all year for. You dont win anything, but its one hell of a good time. Showed up thinkin I was gonna kick some ass....Wrong.... I pulled up to the the line(the tackiest dirt i ever saw) dropped the hammer on that bitch and burnt the shit out of the clutch the whole way down the track (and yes it was adjusted properly). so i was thinking about a lock up clutch, but don't know how they work. Can i still TRAIL ride with it? do I have to do a case mod with a quick change clutch cover? Maybe i should just go with a differnt brand clutch? I dont know. Can someone please tell me how the lock-up works. Basically its another plate that bolts onto the pressure plate. It has little L shaped fingers with counter weights that try to move outward as the clutch basket spins faster, and uses centripital force to press the pressure plate against the friction plates. You have to have a cover conversion because there simply isn't enough clearance. I've thought about making these, but I just haven't gotten around to it. Pretty simple though. The tricky part is the case mod. In some instances the case mod will hit the brake lever. They might have that part figured out now though. I haven't done all my research on that facet of the subject yet. Quote
PlaynSand Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 Hey champ , I have similair issues with my little ole 350 stock stroke ported by Passion , was recently doing a little drag racing in the sand after a good rain , my clutch held for one run , then started slipping badly . Also strecthed my chain to the point it was jumping teeth. I don't see how you guys with those 12 port strokers can keep from ripping the handle bars off, trying to hang on. The guys I were racing against were running the Direct Drive lockup clutches . They use weights that add pressure to the plates as rpm increases and have a cool looking clear cover , Sorry that's all I know about them , but these guys said they worked great and helped the clutch last a lot longer when dragging. Quote
00BANSHEE Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 You could try a more economical way first before shelling the money out for a lock-up and side case mod. You could try some street bike fibers with the banshee steels and heavy duty springs. Alot people I know run either the FZR1000, R6 or 650 Maxima fibers. I run the Maxima fibers in mine with the stock steels and Barnett springs. I have been running it for a year now with 80HP and 45 ft lbs of torque. I also think Hinson makes an 8 plate clutch basket setup that will fit in the stock side case. The lock-up is probably the best way to go, just a little expensive. And yes it can be used for trail riding. Hope this helps you out. Quote
MULLET~BOY Posted June 20, 2004 Report Posted June 20, 2004 your bike dousn't make enough hp to need a lock up just do what 00banshee said Quote
23champ Posted June 25, 2004 Author Report Posted June 25, 2004 OK, I just learned something new. The little arrows on the case and on the clutch arm need to be lined up for proper adjustment,or so I'm told. this could be the reason behind my slippy clutch (they are about 3/4'' off). When I installed the new clutch I just adjusted it by the cable. looked good to me, even felt good, hell the cable even has about 1/8" to 1/16" slack in it. Does that matter? Do you think that is my fix, or should I just order a different clutch and put it in while I'm in there? Quote
00BANSHEE Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 I would try adjusting it first. It is probably not engaging\disengaging like it supposed to. Quote
H300F Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 that is your problem make sure the arrows are right on. Quote
23champ Posted June 26, 2004 Author Report Posted June 26, 2004 The clutch engages fine,there is no trouble getting into gear or missing shifts. The arrow on the clutch arm actually goes past the arrow on the case when you let the clutch all the way out. It seemes to me that if I adjusted it to where the arrows are lined up THAT would actually reduce the amount of pressue being applied to my presure plate which it turn would make it slip even more. Is this correct or is the internal adjustment something funky I'm not understanding? Sorry, this is my first banshee. I don't really understand the whole internal adjustment idea, I'm use to CR250's and 500's no internal buisness, what you see is what you get. Thanks for all the help guys Quote
Adamshee Posted June 27, 2004 Report Posted June 27, 2004 I agree, your bike doesnt have enough power to need a lockup, try the streetbike fibers, thats what I use and they are awesome Quote
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