fox420girl Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 It takes me forever to start. once started it will idel for a min then dies. 30 mins or more later when i get it started agian i feather the the throttle so it wont stall out agian. and i get a really deep sound and it stalls right away. so i thought it was the plugs. removed and replaced and did the spark test. that didnt work out so good. (its possiable i was just tired from kicking it so many times) spark test resluts = sparked once of 7 times. tryed the other side i lost count how many kicks it took to fire. so i disconnected tor's. now im getting no spark. tested coil (that was okay) tested. last effort without turining this into a large project i remove old gas replaced with correct mixture. and repeated tests stated above, recived simmilar results. also my choke was sticking a bit, i sprayd some wd-40 around it, choke seems to be working okay now. has anyone had a simmilar problem? should i be taking off my carbs and cleaning them out? is part of my ignition system starting to fail? should i be checking my stator? i just want to go out and ride. some one help me its spring and my quads in the garage being un-fun. Thank you in advance for any advise or help. Quote
Big Blue Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Probably wouldnt hurt to clean the carbs, what jetting do you have, did you unhook all of the tors system(the little black box under the front left side of your gas tank? Quote
fox420girl Posted April 24, 2004 Author Report Posted April 24, 2004 im going to have to get back with you on how its jetted. i do know its little rich cause last season it was fouling plugs. tor's the only thing i removed was the wire connector to the harness that is comming from that little black box. Quote
sredish Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 The TORS is completely eliminated correct? If so, what about the parking brake cables. Both Blue and I witnessed a fellow banshee rider at the dunes have a deep gurgly sound on his shee and it wouldn't run at all, Blue disconnected the parking brake cables on the lever and down by the radiator and wallah, it ran normal. Quote
oldturtle Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Sounds like the pilot jets are plugged. You need to remove float bowls and pull pilot jets and look thru them to be sure they are clean. If not, blow them out or use carb cleaner. This is normally the first thing to check if no other mods have been made in the meantime since it started fine before. If this is the problem, then Sta-bil fuel stabilizer will prevent this from happening again. Good luck. Quote
sandbuzzard Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 I had a similar problem, I would kick so much, I felt like the one legged man in an ass kickin contest, it ended up that the spark plug boots that snap onto the top of the plugs were bad. They are really easy to change. Cut the old ones off and twist some new ones on. Solved my issue. Quote
fox420girl Posted April 24, 2004 Author Report Posted April 24, 2004 well the main jet is 24 and my parking brake safty was off when i bought it. the carbs looked clean but im curently cleaning them. one at a time. did i have to disconnect all of the wiring from the tor cause i just disconnceted it from the black box. also when i bought it the key was disconnected. the wires cut. i just checked that and those wires were touching but not securly fastened together. my new question is are thouse wires suposto be touching or seperated from each other? also if i let it sit i leaking gas from the over flow tube. yet i checked the float hieght and it measured 22. so thats okay. why else could it be leaking? oh and i do have the tors removial kit. dose anyone have a photo of where i should be drilling at? the distructions i got with the kit are vauge. there wasnt a photo. i would just hate to drill in the wronge place. Quote
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Welcome to bhq though its not my home. i havent seen a good pictures of the tors removal instructions around but. they go on the outside of the carbs. just make sure your looking the left and right one and not the left and right one, (if you know what i mean). i dont know about the wires situation but yeah all those wires from the key are suposed to be touching, could use a wire nut and some electrical tape. about the carbs leaking, i dont know i would say there is something wrong with the floater bowls. did you say it stated or no? Quote
fox420girl Posted April 25, 2004 Author Report Posted April 25, 2004 yeah it started but it was very hard to start. and it would die 30 secs later. and if i gave it some gas it would make a deep sound and stall agian. i explained it all before at the top. so i did a float test and it looks that the floats are floating out of the water half way. thanks ill cap the two wires together. do you think the connection was weak and thats why im not getting a strong spark hence the engin stalls due to flooding the weak spark and fouling the plugs? i donno i may just be making up my own theroies here. that might not be it at all tho, i do know that my plugs were wet! Quote
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 25, 2004 Report Posted April 25, 2004 well you said your main jet is 24 so that tells me your really kinda lost. did you mean pilot jet? im pretty sure stock pilets are 25 and mains are 200. it sounds like your stator in not working right but im not sure i thkn when these things go, they just dont work, but im not sure on that. double check the wiring. if its not mis firing every 7th rotation or what ever im pretty sure it wouldnt even run PERIOD. do you have the clymers? how do you know how to test the coil and everyhting? i thnk you got too much gas and not enough air. have you tried running it with the lid off? i assume when you get it running and you pull the choke it just dies? are there aftermarket pipes on there? what size are your main jets? you got stock intake? also how did yopu meansure that it was misfiring every 7th rotation? answer some of those and maybe i can help further. but im sure someone with more knowledge can help you out more. Quote
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 25, 2004 Report Posted April 25, 2004 are your slides syncronize? and is everything else stock? bore, carbs ect... Quote
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 25, 2004 Report Posted April 25, 2004 oh yeah are you sure your floater bowls are not on backwards? Quote
blk02banshee Posted April 25, 2004 Report Posted April 25, 2004 I'm with oldturtle...sounds very lean on the low end, which could be a plugged pilot or an air leak. if it sits long enough, the gas can evaporate, leaving mostly oil, which will also make it act like that. Quote
fox420girl Posted April 25, 2004 Author Report Posted April 25, 2004 i can answer some of the things above. ill answer the rest after i get this all put back together. i bought this used im the third owner. the first owner did all the work. second owner sold it to me really cheap, told me most of the work that was done. fmf fattie pipes gold series & silencers k&n filter reeds look stock. i plan on getting boyseen cages and reeds boost im sorry my main jet is 240. the pilot jet is 25 there was some work done on my engin. the previous owner couldnt remember what size but there is larger pistons in it. im kinda sketchy on changing any of the setting on my carbs because of the engin mods, and my lack of knowledge of what was done. all my jets were really clean. i did the spark test. grounded out the plug on the engine nut i only got one spark out of 7 kicks. i tested the coil with an ohms meter, useing the same steps in my clymers book. i dont have a air box lid. and i also tryed running it wiht out the air filter. float bowls only fit on one way right. cause i cant get it to fit the other way. it worked great last season. other than fouling plugs. Quote
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