Need more Bite!

[sprinklerman]

Need some pointers in the right direction as to adding some bite to my setup.

It is as follows:

Soft powdery Sand

4mm Serval (ported) dyno'd @ approx 85-ish HP/45TQ (pump gas)

+ 6" swingarm set level/slightly up in the back

14/41 gearing

stock frame

9 paddle Padla Brats 21x12x8 Comp cut

rider 200#

 

Problem is im blowing off the tires thru 3rd gear,just getting good bite into 4th,but by then you are almost done. Need to improve the 1st 60' for sure. Getting tired of reeling people in.

any suggestions? I have play tires ,so these can be strictly for drags.

[BigRed350x]

Need some pointers in the right direction as to adding some bite to my setup.

It is as follows:

Soft powdery Sand

4mm Serval (ported) dyno'd @ approx 85-ish HP/45TQ (pump gas)

+ 6" swingarm set level/slightly up in the back

14/41 gearing

stock frame

9 paddle Padla Brats 21x12x8 Comp cut

rider 200#

 

Problem is im blowing off the tires thru 3rd gear,just getting good bite into 4th,but by then you are almost done. Need to improve the 1st 60' for sure. Getting tired of reeling people in.

any suggestions? I have play tires ,so these can be strictly for drags.

 

22x11x8 10-paddle extremes superlight carcass. or 11-paddle haulers in that same size.

[sprinklerman]

Thanks for the reply. whats the advantage of those over a say 21x12x8?

 

Let me describe as best i can a typical race.

I have to feather out 2nd gear launches , not because itl bog,but because it'll spin the tires so quickly that 3rd gear shift is almost immediate. Then 3rd gear,the tires are trying to hook a little,but still blowing off pretty bad. Click into 4th and they start to bite and it really starts gaining ground quick...but by then you are about ready to shut it down. I have a 15t front sprocket im going to try asap,but i really dont think thats the real solution.... any thoughts?

[possum]

16-41 12 paddle 22" /done!

[sprinklerman]

16-41 12 paddle 22" /done!

 

Im thinking that might be a little too much for a pump gas motor, yea?

[Surfrjag]

from what i understand those brats arent that great off the line so like mentioned you may want to look into something along the lines of the skat trak exteme's.

as far as gearing i like to gear lower than most so you may consider gearing lower to get out of the hole in 2nd. im guessing your only going 300ft?

[sprinklerman]

from what i understand those brats arent that great off the line so like mentioned you may want to look into something along the lines of the skat trak exteme's.

as far as gearing i like to gear lower than most so you may consider gearing lower to get out of the hole in 2nd. im guessing your only going 300ft?

 

Yea, 300'. Problem with gearing lower is im already spinning like crazy launching in 2nd. I can actually launch in 3rd sometimes as it is. So im pretty sure more paddle is needed. Im wondering what difference there is in grip between 21x12's and 22x11's. and i need to narrow down if i need 10 or 11 paddle tires... thanks for all input so far.

[Surfrjag]

your blowin your current tires off. but try some 12 paddles stag extreme's and i bet you wont blow them off as bad. guy running a stock cyl 4mil at my track is running 14paddles 22"

[nastyracing]

A brat is all u will ever need in my imo . Take a tire sipe to the base of paddles if yours arent already cut that far. Most importantly make sure u have a 15t up front 5 psi is key on them tires. What u have now will be pretty equal to a 10paddle extreme. Try gearing first tho

[Surfrjag]

I agree with trying gearing first but there is a reason why all the fast bikes run extremes or rippers. They have more bite.

[nastyracing]

Give or take kinda thing 300ft is a short race . But a bigger front sprocket is gonna be like a whole new tire to him.

[dcalsv02]

I'm running 22x11x8 10 paddle, extreme, 74r.o super lights. I would recommend those in 10,11 (if they have them), or 12 paddles.

[camatv]

brats totally suck off the line unless you have let them down to about 1 psi and sit on the grab bar. they work good for shorty swingarm bike. to stockish bikes too

 

ANY scat track tire in the 9-8 " 9 hauler to 11 exxtreme is going to make a huge difference in your "bite" off the line. but just rember got too much and your going to fight wheelies

[sprinklerman]

brats totally suck off the line unless you have let them down to about 1 psi and sit on the grab bar. they work good for shorty swingarm bike. to stockish bikes too

 

ANY scat track tire in the 9-8 " 9 hauler to 11 exxtreme is going to make a huge difference in your "bite" off the line. but just rember got too much and your going to fight wheelies

 

I noticed if i get as far back on the seat where i can still reach the bars,they do bite better,,,but not like i need. plus thats not a very good position for drag racing. hehe.

I called Fullerton Tire and they recommended 22x11x8 extremes with 11-12 paddles. going to see if any banshees show up at our riding spot this weekend and talk to the faster guys,,,,if anything but four stroke show up.

[RadarRacing]

If your bike sits high in the back that will suck with those tires. Get one of the $30 billet lowering blocks and get your grabbar about 5" lower and it will help a ton. With about that power and a +6 my old gas bike liked 21x12x8 9 or 10 paddle extremes. If you are lighter than 200 lbs go with a 10 extreme in either a 21 or 22. They are both real close to the same size but the 21" is lighter. If you meet up with us sometime I can come up with about every tire to try.