locogato11283 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 well compared to a a jet kit for stock carb, the price is around $50-100ish carb kits run around $500-$600 depending on size and other things single carb kit is around $400ish Where the fuck are you buying your parts?! No one buys jet kits. They buy two sets of jets for about $20. No need for a kit. $500-$600 for carbs?! Where at? I just bought a set of 39 PWK from Jeff for $355. Throttle cable was $30. There's $385 for the setup. If you need intakes, $100 or so. $400 for a single carb setup?! That's insane. They're junk! Your inflated prices are pretty funny though. If it was as easy as a 1,000 kit to make the banshee clear all the regulations dont you think Yamaha has enough people on their staff that they would have just done that and kept building the machine? Hey! Don't be bringing any fucking logic into this thread.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigborebanshee Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 trinity racing - single carb kit - $465 - $500 depending on carb size - http://www.trinityracing.com/yamaha-banshee2.html#performance wicked racing - 34PJ carb kit - $680 - http://www.wickedatv.com/duportal30/home/detail.asp?iData=12373&iCat=288&iChannel=8&nChannel=Products fast racing - 35mm pwk carbs - $320 - http://www.farmandsandtoys.com/partdetail.asp?partid=351 fast racing - billet intake - $150 - http://www.farmandsandtoys.com/partdetail.asp?partid=190 fast racing - upp intake - $90 - http://www.farmandsandtoys.com/partdetail.asp?partid=303 fast racing - k+n filters - $20-$25 each - http://www.farmandsandtoys.com/partdetail.asp?partid=87 fast racing - throttle cable - $30 - http://www.farmandsandtoys.com/partdetail.asp?partid=140 kit would be around - $480-$550 can you please tell me how i am inflating the prices? 680 bucks for 34PJ's?...a set can be purchased from CPW new for about 250 with cable..The have been discontinued by Kehin and are literally gving them away and you could ebay most of the other stuff for less than half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Hell i got a whole jet kit with almost any jets needed off fleabay for like 40 bucks. As for EPA...No way any oil burner will meet that. Not even with some kind of heated cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 So if this shit is so simple and comparably priced to a dual carb complete set up, why isn't there one already available? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake644 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 y is locogato11283 being a Whitney-butt over all this did i miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUILDER Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 LOL this is really all about the fact that things are kind of dead around here right now so picking on Zilla is a good way to get a new thing to talk about. Also Zilla just makes it easy to pick on him by saying thinks like he can build a EFI kit that includes a DC conversion and a battery for 1,000 to 1,200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE358BANSH Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 build a EFI kit that includes a DC conversion and a battery for 1,000 to 1,200 Coming from someone with experience on both sides of this discussion, that will be one tall order to fill. I have been asked, but turned down everyone about doing a kit because it is not feasible. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigborebanshee Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 A good example would be Suzuki and kawasakis first venture into fuel injection..Guys were pulling off the EFI because it was impossible to get them to make good hp. Only after the aftermarket started producing ECMs did they figure out how to make them run hard and make big hp. Considering the money and R&D they put into it,I am betting the cost to mass produce a kit that would actually work and run right would out weigh the return. Considering there are hardly an 2 stroke models left,it would be the equivalent in investing in vacuum tubes and transistors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE358BANSH Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 you really dont think a company that is buying stuff in bulk instead of a one off build could make a kit for around a grand? Trust me man, I do agree with you on the bulk buying aspect of getting things cheaper although there is not as much in mass discount as you may believe. I don't imagine it is possible to put together a kit for a grand to inject a twin cylinder two stroke. I sell/install more aftermarket EFI in a year than most peoples payroll and in dealing with all of the companies that have their shit together, EFI is not meant to be a "cheap" alternative. It is a different way to get the same thing done, plain and simple. i know edelbrock sells an EFI conversion kit for V8 for around $3K, not sure how much it cost them to make, not sure what their mark up is, 100%, 50%, 33%. but i would guess it is around 2K for there kit. well they sell the electronics for this conversion for 1800-2000. so it is around a grand for the TB, manifold and injectors and shit. If there is a 20 percent mark up from manufacturer to retail in this stuff is a good margin in this economy. The electronics in these automotive style EFI systems were pioneered by a good friend and godfather of fuel injection, John Meaney. The systems are all based off the same shit, with a few different colors or features. The first system to be user friendly and popular was released in 1987. Twenty four years to develop a product, slim the design, make it cheaper. That is a long time to get everything right, and most "mechanically inclined" people still have issues with a system on a conventional four stroke. electronics - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-35120/?rtype=10 complete kit - http://www.autosportcatalog.com/dcisearch.cfm?selyear=1979&selmake=CHEVROLET&selmodeldci=NOVA&selengtype=5.7L%21%21350-cid%21%21V8%21%21GAS&hdnEnvironment=PROD&hdnSts=0&hdnUK=86421&hdnCK=&hdnCAT=62&hdnQ=&hdnLK=&hdnLT=1&hdnDCIPT=&hdnOEM=&hdnUniv=&hdnMM=&hdnVQ=&hdnPQ=&hdnAP=&hdnAPFlag=&hdnPN=&hdnPT=&hdnWN=1&hdnWS=&hdnSuperCategory=Performance%2FEngine%2FDrivetrain&hdnCategory=Fuel+Delivery&hdnSubCategory=Fuel+Injection+System&hdnPartType=Fuel+Injection+System&hdnAMLG=&hdnWareH=&hdnb2b=&hdnsessionid=&hidEngine=&hidVehicle=&hidBrand=&hidSearch=&hdnFB=&debug=&hidHiddenFields=&hidModuleConfiguration=&Reset=&hidSearch=&hidBrand=&hidEngine=&hidVehicle= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE358BANSH Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 also, here is a link to wicked atv. they are in the works of designing a EFI kit for a banshee http://www.wickedatv.com/duportal30/home/detail.asp?iData=12433&iCat=251&iChannel=1&nChannel=News That project is destined to fail from all aspects. I hope they get it figured out, but designing a complete controller and getting the throttle bodies from Germany is definitely not going to be cheap. Add that to the fact that Roger is in California and Richard is in Colorado wont help anything. Richard from HGT has all ready started to complain about costs, and all he has done is stick on some universal throttle bodies and toss some injectors in the boost bottle holes. My $.02... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupelx Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 That project is destined to fail from all aspects. I hope they get it figured out, but designing a complete controller and getting the throttle bodies from Germany is definitely not going to be cheap. Add that to the fact that Roger is in California and Richard is in Colorado wont help anything. Richard from HGT has all ready started to complain about costs, and all he has done is stick on some universal throttle bodies and toss some injectors in the boost bottle holes. My $.02... injectors spraying sideways into the airflow= fail. been there done that with the alky injection on my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE358BANSH Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 injectors spraying sideways into the airflow= fail. been there done that with the alky injection on my car. Depending on the application, I have seen gains of spraying the alcohol directly into the oncoming air path and making it turn 180 degrees to get to the engine. The reverse mounting allows more time for the alcohol to cool the charge via latent heat of vaporization. Not so much with gasoline as a primary fuel though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coupelx Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Depending on the application, I have seen gains of spraying the alcohol directly into the oncoming air path and making it turn 180 degrees to get to the engine. The reverse mounting allows more time for the alcohol to cool the charge via latent heat of vaporization. Not so much with gasoline as a primary fuel though... hmm i might have to try this, i think i am having a little trouble with distribution as my nozzle is mounted in the throttlebody. didnt have alot of options. with the way everything is mounted. i had a couple nozzles mounted in the side of the pipe spraying sideways into the air stream. turns out the mixture likes to just follow the air along the wall of the tube and puddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick2stroke Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I have been keeping tabs on HGT/Wicked endeavor. From what I read Richard has no intention of using those throttle bodies for the final product or leaving the injectors at 90* but rather 45*. He just set the shit together fucking around as far as I can tell as he's waiting to acquire a chassis and pipes to test with. He mentioned it is a hobby of his since retiring from GM but he is taking the kit seriously, just trying to keep cost down as much as possible during testing. I wish them and zilla the best. The first person who figures out how to make a performing kit on the lower end of the theoretical price scale is going to make some money, not to mention further the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolguyson Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I did my own EFI system. I won't tell you what I spent on it, but it was less than 1500. My experience is that it would have worked great for a dune bike, but it wasn't a quick enough unit to handle drag racing. If I were to do it again, I would go with a Motec, and it would cost around 6k And my carb setup cost about 1600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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