crustydemon Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Just wondering what a guy would need for engine setup to be competitive in modified 2 stroke hillclimbing. Does everyone run giant stroker motors or can you compete with less? Its something I am really interested in and am starting to consider building a bike this winter but if its going to take some exotic frankencrank shit I cant do it. Quote
Velislide Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 Just wondering what a guy would need for engine setup to be competitive in modified 2 stroke hillclimbing. Does everyone run giant stroker motors or can you compete with less? Its something I am really interested in and am starting to consider building a bike this winter but if its going to take some exotic frankencrank shit I cant do it. Just as long as your balls are bigger then your engine, you'll be fine. Quote
crustydemon Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Posted October 22, 2009 Just as long as your balls are bigger then your engine, you'll be fine. Thats not a problem, but my wallet isnt as fat as my ego. Quote
locogato11283 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 well, ive been hillclimbing here and in minnesota for a long time now and the motors keep getting bigger. to be really competitive in this area, youre gonna need at least a 4mm cub motor.. and thats kind of a stretch unless youre an amazing experienced hillclimber. on the straight up HP hills, youre gonna be lacking with a 4mm cub. down here we are running 4mm DM and 10mm cub type motors. they are the best running so far. my brother did just win D23 in minnesota this year on a 4mm cub, but hes a good rider and good set up. at nationals this year, 1st place went to the 4mm DM and i took second on my 10mm cub. our times were damn near identical (4.272 and 4.272). 3rd place was a 750 kawi triple that was about 3 tenths behind us. Quote
crustydemon Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Posted October 22, 2009 well, ive been hillclimbing here and in minnesota for a long time now and the motors keep getting bigger. to be really competitive in this area, youre gonna need at least a 4mm cub motor.. and thats kind of a stretch unless youre an amazing experienced hillclimber. on the straight up HP hills, youre gonna be lacking with a 4mm cub. down here we are running 4mm DM and 10mm cub type motors. they are the best running so far. my brother did just win D23 in minnesota this year on a 4mm cub, but hes a good rider and good set up. at nationals this year, 1st place went to the 4mm DM and i took second on my 10mm cub. our times were damn near identical (4.272 and 4.272). 3rd place was a 750 kawi triple that was about 3 tenths behind us. How much tougher are the hills down there compared to Minnesota? From your vids they look gnarly compared to up here. Quote
locogato11283 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Posted October 22, 2009 How much tougher are the hills down there compared to Minnesota? From your vids they look gnarly compared to up here. they are totally different. the MN hills are mostly HP hills, except for mankato when they run the hill with the jump and turn in it. they are wide open straight to the top. down here in Troy is a rider hill. you are on and off the throttle on the right side of the hill. the left side is setup more for HP bikes, but still has 2 big jumps to deal with. our hill down here is not nearly as groomed and smooth as the ones in MN. Quote
AKheathen Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 do they have different classes for the different climbs? i don't think it's fair to pit money against skill, to a point.....that's like drag vs. mx.. Quote
crustydemon Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Posted October 23, 2009 do they have different classes for the different climbs? i don't think it's fair to pit money against skill, to a point.....that's like drag vs. mx.. I dont know if they have a beginner class but I think it was 2 stroke, 4 stroke by cc's in stock and modified classes. Problem is you can have a huge power difference between 2 bikes with the same cc if one guy is running big bore stock cylinders and the rest are running cubs or something. Regardless it will be expensive just to build a competitive bike and then maybe still not ever be good enough to win but i guess there is only one way to find out. Quote
AKheathen Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 I dont know if they have a beginner class but I think it was 2 stroke, 4 stroke by cc's in stock and modified classes. Problem is you can have a huge power difference between 2 bikes with the same cc if one guy is running big bore stock cylinders and the rest are running cubs or something. Regardless it will be expensive just to build a competitive bike and then maybe still not ever be good enough to win but i guess there is only one way to find out. haha,no i meant the different ridding, not classes. you have one guy running a broader powerband and tons in suspension and ridding skill, pitted against someone built for all out uphill drag. the drag bike might bomb out with turns and jumps, but dominate in the strait hills....... i understand you could have different levels, like displacement and level of mod, like hobby stock, mod stock, and open.... Quote
locogato11283 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Posted October 23, 2009 down here in troy, there are 4 atv classes. 2 and 4 stroke modified and stock. up in minn, there is only one atv class.. Quote
bode1 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 down here in troy, there are 4 atv classes. 2 and 4 stroke modified and stock. up in minn, there is only one atv class.. What are you allowed to mod in the stock class? Porting, pipes, head? I would assume stock bore and stroke though right? Quote
locogato11283 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 What are you allowed to mod in the stock class? Porting, pipes, head? I would assume stock bore and stroke though right? stock length for sure. its hard to say when it comes to motor mods because we have no way of really checking. its kind of an honor system, but no porting. pipes are ok. Quote
Ieat4strokes Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Man hillclimbing is something i would love to get into......if we only had some events here in TN...... we got crazy hills just noone really into it....But theres nothing more i love than climbing hills, and i do mean long, steep hills, no sissy sh!t lol.......Loco im taking it yall have events there in MO? Quote
locogato11283 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Posted October 24, 2009 Man hillclimbing is something i would love to get into......if we only had some events here in TN...... we got crazy hills just noone really into it....But theres nothing more i love than climbing hills, and i do mean long, steep hills, no sissy sh!t lol.......Loco im taking it yall have events there in MO? we have one right across the river in kansas. other than that, i go to minnesota about 5 or 6 times a year to hillclimb. they have 3 different hills up there. Quote
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