blaster2006 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) heya, i tested my compression with a somewhat decent tester, but the thing which go's in the spark plug was about 3 or 4 times shorter (the threads) then the br8es spark plug... ( i have an adaptor to make it bigger, but it wont fit cause its too big and no place to get it inside the damn banshee chasis in the way. but yeah, i tested it with the adapter being pretty small, i got 125 psi on the left cylinder and 120psi on the right one. i hope thats pretty good being the threads were also pretty small? also one stupid thing i may not have to mention but... im running a stock foam filter with airbox and lid, i DID push the throttle all the way in for unlimited air flow... but i dont know if it like.. even with the full throttle if it would get much air in it? or it does not make a difference about the filter...? i would like to know till about what compression is it time for a rebuild? im thinking like about 100-110 psi right? thanks. Edited January 27, 2009 by blaster2006 Quote
blowit Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 heya, i tested my compression with a somewhat decent tester, but the thing which go's in the spark plug was about 3 or 4 times shorter (the threads) then the br8es spark plug... ( i have an adaptor to make it bigger, but it wont fit cause its too big and no place to get it inside the damn banshee chasis in the way. but yeah, i tested it with the adapter being pretty small, i got 125 psi on the left cylinder and 120psi on the right one. i hope thats pretty good being the threads were also pretty small? also one stupid thing i may not have to mention but... im running a stock foam filter with airbox and lid, i DID push the throttle all the way in for unlimited air flow... but i dont know if it like.. even with the full throttle if it would get much air in it? or it does not make a difference about the filter...? i would like to know till about what compression is it time for a rebuild? im thinking like about 100-110 psi right? thanks. NOPE. You will base your rebuild totally on hours and use. NOT, on compression. That is the easiest way to a new engine. You can easily break a piston skirt while still pumping new compression numbers. See it all the time. Brandon Quote
magz Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 if your motors all stock then your compression sounds fine. 90-100 psi is rebuild time, i think i remember hearing anything 10-15psi lower then what your originally supposed to have is rebuild time. Quote
blaster2006 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Posted January 27, 2009 NOPE. You will base your rebuild totally on hours and use. NOT, on compression. That is the easiest way to a new engine. You can easily break a piston skirt while still pumping new compression numbers. See it all the time. Brandon problem is i bought it used, he tells me he ddnt use it much etc. but by looking at the front tires, (stock) he never replaced them, they have like 10% tread, i should replace them asap. they are really worn out. which means he rode it alot etc, but its very clean and he kept telling me it has low hours on it. so god knows how many hours its got. Quote
blowit Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) problem is i bought it used, he tells me he ddnt use it much etc. but by looking at the front tires, (stock) he never replaced them, they have like 10% tread, i should replace them asap. they are really worn out. which means he rode it alot etc, but its very clean and he kept telling me it has low hours on it. so god knows how many hours its got. If you plan to keep it, be smart about it and open the engine and have it mic'd so you know. I and some other very experienced builders could probably give you a god idea just by turning the engine over but that is still a best guess. You call. 30 bucks in gaskets and a few hours of your time. Brandon Edited January 27, 2009 by blowit Quote
blaster2006 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Posted January 27, 2009 If you plan to keep it, be smart about it and open the engine and have it mic'd so you know. I and some other very experienced builders could probably give you a god idea just by turning the engine over but that is still a best guess. You call. 30 bucks in gaskets and a few hours of your time. Brandon yeah, changing top end gaskets are pretty easy imo. i will do it eventually. i plan on keeping it running good for abit longer than 1 year from now, cause then im selling it because im moving out of the country. the problem is re-ringing and replacing pistons and expecially those rings, i dont even know how to put the rings or compress or make that clearance between the rings and cylinder lol. it seems too complicated for me. taking the cylinders off and back on is more than enough to do myself. i live on an island, in the middle east, so yeah, we just got the yamaha dealer and service center here. no like proffessional motor builders for bikes thats why things are bit tough for me. Quote
peterlocal22 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Posted January 27, 2009 heya, i tested my compression with a somewhat decent tester, but the thing which go's in the spark plug was about 3 or 4 times shorter (the threads) then the br8es spark plug... ( i have an adaptor to make it bigger, but it wont fit cause its too big and no place to get it inside the damn banshee chasis in the way. but yeah, i tested it with the adapter being pretty small, i got 125 psi on the left cylinder and 120psi on the right one. i hope thats pretty good being the threads were also pretty small? also one stupid thing i may not have to mention but... im running a stock foam filter with airbox and lid, i DID push the throttle all the way in for unlimited air flow... but i dont know if it like.. even with the full throttle if it would get much air in it? or it does not make a difference about the filter...? i would like to know till about what compression is it time for a rebuild? im thinking like about 100-110 psi right? thanks. sounds good Quote
AKheathen Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 you ever open those carbs up and give them a good cleaning? Quote
blaster2006 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Posted January 28, 2009 you ever open those carbs up and give them a good cleaning? working on it. Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 whats your elevation? 120 psi seems a little low to me, and i can tell you if my bike hit 120 psi, it would be getting it rebuilt ASAP. if youre gonna take the time to tear it down, why not just rebuild it anyway? i see no point in tearing it down just to take some measurements. if youre doubting it, just rebuild it. Quote
blaster2006 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) whats your elevation? 120 psi seems a little low to me, and i can tell you if my bike hit 120 psi, it would be getting it rebuilt ASAP. if youre gonna take the time to tear it down, why not just rebuild it anyway? i see no point in tearing it down just to take some measurements. if youre doubting it, just rebuild it. hmm, sea level, 120 psi, and 125 on the left cylinder( with like threads of the compression tester going in the cylinder only like 1/3 of an inch or so) i could try to use the adapter for the compression tester with the longer and bigger threads. although that one is abit too big. it is maybe 2-3mm longer than the br8es threads (i dont know well about this) but i was also abit scared if i used that ... the piston might hit it since its abit bigger than the spark plug XD? will it? or is it safe to use Edited January 28, 2009 by blaster2006 Quote
blowit Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 hmm, sea level, 120 psi, and 125 on the left cylinder( with like threads of the compression tester going in the cylinder only like 1/3 of an inch or so) i could try to use the adapter for the compression tester with the longer and bigger threads. although that one is abit too big. it is maybe 2-3mm longer than the br8es threads (i dont know well about this) but i was also abit scared if i used that ... the piston might hit it since its abit bigger than the spark plug XD? will it? or is it safe to use VERY big difference in having the right compression tester adapter. You should pump up 135psi or so with the correct tester. That does not always means your motor is perfect, but sounds like you lack support there so run it till it blows! Brandon Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 hmm, sea level, 120 psi, and 125 on the left cylinder( with like threads of the compression tester going in the cylinder only like 1/3 of an inch or so) i could try to use the adapter for the compression tester with the longer and bigger threads. although that one is abit too big. it is maybe 2-3mm longer than the br8es threads (i dont know well about this) but i was also abit scared if i used that ... the piston might hit it since its abit bigger than the spark plug XD? will it? or is it safe to use were you getting a good seal? is there an o-ring on the tester? was it down far enough to seal? sounds like you might need a better tester. my comp tester fits really well into the dome and it seals with an o-ring. Quote
blowit Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 were you getting a good seal? is there an o-ring on the tester? was it down far enough to seal? sounds like you might need a better tester. my comp tester fits really well into the dome and it seals with an o-ring. I know what he is talking about. The adapter just does not have the long reach threads like the spark plug because it is made for lawn mower type plugs. They also generally do not have a schrader vavle right at the tip and that is a big no no. The proper test adapter should show a nice bump in cranking compression. Brandon Quote
locogato11283 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 I know what he is talking about. The adapter just does not have the long reach threads like the spark plug because it is made for lawn mower type plugs. They also generally do not have a schrader vavle right at the tip and that is a big no no. The proper test adapter should show a nice bump in cranking compression. Brandon so basically his tester is junk? sounds like too many variables to me to be considered reliable. Quote
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