Banshee Electrical

[DGFUNNY70]

Well lets begin here I have taken my bike to the dyno on two separate occasions. Both times we tried the dyna control on various different settings as well as the dyna on zero and adding five degrees of timing. It seems that either way it made very little affect on the horsepower it made peek horsepower on the highest setting of the dyna ignition but only .45 horsepower difference. So I decided I would see how the bike ran with five degrees of timing on the dunes with the stock ign box as well as the dyna set at stock level. When I was at mid to 3/4 throttle it would run funny like eeeehhhh!!! with either box. So I set the timing plate back to 0 and ran the dyna box in curve 2 and it seemed to run fine. So that is the way I left it and continued to ride. On one occasion we had road out to box car and started to drag race at this time I was spanking the completion and I did not notice anything unusual. Either that afternoon or the next day we where playing in the middle dunes we were racing on a flat surface and not an incline but closer to the ocean so the air was a bit cooler. This time I might have been lucky to take them off the line let alone win a race the bike seemed to run a Little like before the eeeehhh!!! Like it was not revving all the way out. We then proceeded to the beach and the bike seemed to have good initial throttle but would start to run ruff at 3/4 throttle that I felt was unusually.

 

I have been reading about the Ricky stator (200w) problems and wondered if this sounded like one I purchased this Ricky stator in about 03 to 05.

 

Are there any ways to test the stator other than how you would test the oe stator as well as different resistance or maybe power output?

 

I have read were people have tried alternatives to Ricky stator but I have yet to see any feedback.

 

Or is the stock stator just the best way to go. Any 87 to 94 stock stators out there.

[LS1Inferno]

you dont have a timing problem you have a jetting problem if its running eh not revving out can mean way rich or way lean. and chaning the timing helps because you have to change jetting some with the chang in a timing plate anyhow.

[Snopczynski]

Plug caps may cause issues with cutouts at upper throttle ranges. If your putting more timing in it you need to list your compression and octane for us to help. I run the dyna box on curve 3 with +5 degrees of timing added to the curve with the program kit. I saw a huge midrange difference on the dyno between the stock curve at +5 and curve 3 at +5. I would say your jetting may grossly be over in one direction, and the colder air is making it run worse because its on the edge of where it should be and running like shit. What are the plugs telling you in all this?

[Snopczynski]

I haven't dug into this yet. I instaled the stator converted to AC last season along with an HID. It ran bad, but I didn't pick up on it right away. The next trip out I made sure the filter and carbs were clean to rule out that as I had a plugged pilot jet previously.

 

I'm getting ready to dive into this and wanted to get a little direction before I start.

 

But I'm running 91 on new top end with maybe 10 hours on it. I need to do a compression test to provide that info.

 

Did you mean converted to DC? Where you at Coos bay on 4th of July weekend?

 

You can run a stock stator on a dc conversion with a decent battery to run hid's. Where is your pickup gap set at? Did it run bad immediately after you changed everything around?

[DGFUNNY70]

I ran the bike on the dyno as listed below no problems these problems occurred on the dunes. I am running about 180lbs compression mixing race gas 50/50 running amsoil dominator 40to1. When I ran on dyno as described below there was little to no horse power difference in fact I think we ran it no timing advance at all and the horse power difference was minimal

 

First I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees dyna box on stock setting runs like crap about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Second I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees and stock ign box and it runs like crap at or about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Third I ride bike with Ricky stator adjusted to zero and the dyna ign box on setting 2 or 3 and it seems to clear up.

 

I don't see how this could be a jetting issue when I have made different electrical changes as listed above and it seems to run ok for a while maybe I'm wrong.

 

Now as far as racing up and down the hill on the verge of it maybe being to lean or rich but not enough to affect it adversely and then when I get closer to the ocean and its a bit colder and it starts to run ruff maybe a jetting issue and have nothing related to the above problem or maybe it is I don't know.

[Snopczynski]

I ran the bike on the dyno as listed below no problems these problems occurred on the dunes. I am running about 180lbs compression mixing race gas 50/50 running amsoil dominator 40to1. When I ran on dyno as described below there was little to no horse power difference in fact I think we ran it no timing advance at all and the horse power difference was minimal

 

First I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees dyna box on stock setting runs like crap about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Second I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees and stock ign box and it runs like crap at or about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Third I ride bike with Ricky stator adjusted to zero and the dyna ign box on setting 2 or 3 and it seems to clear up.

 

I don't see how this could be a jetting issue when I have made different electrical changes as listed above and it seems to run ok for a while maybe I'm wrong.

 

Now as far as racing up and down the hill on the verge of it maybe being to lean or rich but not enough to affect it adversely and then when I get closer to the ocean and its a bit colder and it starts to run ruff maybe a jetting issue and have nothing related to the above problem or maybe it is I don't know.

 

What compression, squish, and octane do you run?

 

When we dyno ignition curves on a dynojet we watch hp and torque numbers on an acceleration run time, not overall power.

[DGFUNNY70]

I can tell you about 180lbs compression and a mix of 110 and 91 octane at 50/50 mix. The horse power curves are almost identical. I don't know the squish on this set up.

Edited October 29, 2008 by DGFUNNY70

[Snopczynski]

You need to be running straight high octane at that compression with that much timing.

[J-Madd]

You need to be running straight high octane at that compression with that much timing.

 

 

That's what I was thinking.

[J-Madd]

Also, what are plug caps?

 

 

The part of the coil wire that goes on the spark plug.

[DGFUNNY70]

Ok I'm Fine with that I may need more octane but I have yet to get an answer about why 5 degrees on timing plate bad and how come when I let the dyna ign module advance my ign problem goes away. Unless the dyna ign module isn

[J-Madd]

I ran the bike on the dyno as listed below no problems these problems occurred on the dunes. I am running about 180lbs compression mixing race gas 50/50 running amsoil dominator 40to1. When I ran on dyno as described below there was little to no horse power difference in fact I think we ran it no timing advance at all and the horse power difference was minimal

 

First I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees dyna box on stock setting runs like crap about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Second I ride Bike with Ricky stator adjusted to five degrees and stock ign box and it runs like crap at or about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

 

Third I ride bike with Ricky stator adjusted to zero and the dyna ign box on setting 2 or 3 and it seems to clear up.

I don't see how this could be a jetting issue when I have made different electrical changes as listed above and it seems to run ok for a while maybe I'm wrong.

 

Now as far as racing up and down the hill on the verge of it maybe being to lean or rich but not enough to affect it adversely and then when I get closer to the ocean and its a bit colder and it starts to run ruff maybe a jetting issue and have nothing related to the above problem or maybe it is I don't know.

 

 

Your jetting is probably lean or you have detonation in the first 2 scenarios. On the third scenario, you compensated for the lean jetting by backing the timing down. Less timing generally requires less fuel. Give it more fuel (high octane) and try the first 2 again. jmo.

[polkaudio]

Reposted my question in the Jetting forum...