well bm, the best value is to make your own, the chrome and carrier alone is going to be close to 400 bucks, but i know a place thats doing some killer chrome for a reasonable price :wink: next, if you cant weld, theres shops that can. i made a +6 for a friend and took all the pipes and the jig i made to the welding shop and walked out with a bad ass + 6 for his hill shooter for less than 120 bucks. last case is to just keep looking on e bay and hopefully youll come up. later