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Aren't you like 15? Now you're going to tell us you're a big drinker?

.........ok.

I'm not going down the jetting road again. Once you solve the internal motor issue, the jetting needs will skyrocket. (As will your power) But it sounds like sooner or later you have some work ahead of you. Depends on how much damage has been done and how soon you fix it......

^^^Technically true...... But that link I posted has the lumen testor for under $20. A LUX tester is big money. In the big picture, if he tears into the motor next week.....the lumen tester will at least be close enough and cheap. Not trying to argue Rubberneck. You are correct. But he's young and on a budget. Besides, I'm sure his Dad is versed on all this.

Yep. If it isn't in the bulbs...it's for sure in the safety system. If you had the full TORS in place, the motor wouldn't even fire. But with it bypassed, there is no longer a protection system in place. I'm thinking the stator is 1/2 cooked at least. Ignition wil not fire at full strenght. This will limit the need for fuel. (This explains the previous jetting anomaly. ) I think when you get back into town it's time to do a leakdown test on that motor. If it passes.....there is a bigger internal issue. Get the case sealer ready.....

Ok. Dad has this covered. LOL I told you ask Dad. LOL I'll let you two chase this down. But I would like to hear what the lumen levels were.

I have the Yamaha factory diagnostic service manual somewhere in the shop. I could find it and then we would have all the light pulse codes to reference. But none of it will be useable till we have a baseline lumen reading from each light.

The lights start showing different brightness to warn you of internal variances with how the motor is running. (Obviously there is an issue…..not to rub it in…but we were really questioning your jetting previously. This is proof we were onto an internal motor issue before you even knew it) Maybe now you will park that thing till we get the base issue sorted out. (Yes, this lighting thing is just a symptom. It is WARNING of a bigger issue on the horizon.) If the problem is with one light getting brighter…..it will continue to get brighter (With the TORS unplugged) till it burns out the bulb. If the problem is with one build getting dimmer…..it will continue to get dimmer until the ignition pulse chip cooks. I'm not sure how long that takes because MOST of the time people ride with the lights OFF and never notice that the timing light diagnostic system is showing them a problem. (Most have lights off and just ride till the stator is cooked.) OR….they have the TORS plugged in and it kills the ignition to the motor as a safety shut off.

Here! -> -> -> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/321353991931?lpid=82 Get with the program son.

What did I tell you????? When you remove the TORS….you LOSE THE SAFTEY SHUT-OFF!

I'm not spoon feeding you help anymore. I look up the specs on your timing diagnostic and post all the info for you and YOU wanna think it's a connector. Next you will want everyone to do the leg work to get you a lumen syncing tool. Just tape a flashlight to your hard and go ride. Wear some good shoes……you might be walking quite a bit. DON'T COME ON HERE ASKING FOR STATOR ADVICE WHEN THAT ISSUE COOKS THE IGNITION PULSE CHIP IN YOUR STATORS MODULATION RELAY!

Yamaha built the diagnostic timing light system right into the bikes lighting circuit. All full RPM if one light is dim you know you have a motor problem. (It's a warning system that is usually tied to the TORS system, but when you unplug the TORS….you lose the safety shut-off.) Test to see if you are getting 36.5 lumens out of either light. (Spec is 36.5 to 37.2) It's important to note if one is UNDER spec of if the other is just OVER spec. DON'T REV THE MOTOR TILL IT IS SOLVED! Just start the bike and let it idle while you test it.

Did it run after the rebuild?…..Or are you trying to fire it for the first time since the rebuild?

Ask Dad.

Drag bike???? What are you going to do with that?

As long as he's git the shovel out, he can dig a hole and toss that Ricky Stator crap in it. Then he can find the RaceTech stator post....get RaceTech D/C unit and follow their directions.

I'm there.....it is legit. I'm there.....it will look good. For the next trip we'll call it the DDQ RIDE. Everyone will show up on wrecked bikes and we will see how much damage we can inflict on our surroundings.

Power won't be a big factor. This is woods and trails mostly. Good tires and quality suspensions rule the day.

Fall has started to show itself and than means the sand tires will soon be put away and the dirt riding season will be in full swing soon. This year's HQ ride will be October 4th. Hopefully many will be able to find time to go. Put it on the calendar now so you won't miss the fun. Chime in if you are planning to go.

Sweet. I'll be at that Badlands ride with a group of friends. HQ member turnout is usually pretty good.

……..And that is why I told him not to worry about the numbers. I still keep saying this is a strong motor. I've not wavered from that once. But yes…..Tyler is trying so hard to use this post to bash me…..that now it's just a post full of his hate that will turn up in an internet search of REDLINE RACING. Oh well…..He's not my lap dog. I'm not cleaning up the crap.

None of this was presented or represented as aggressively as you are interpreting it. (I never claimed to know more about Cam's motors than him and NOBODY said the motor wouldn't live. But wider squish WILL make tuning less sensitive and clearances safer as a motor wears a bit and tolerances in bearings open up a bit.) But that's for putting words in my mouth as usual. You throw out intellect assessments, but you have ZERO knowledge on the topic. You clearly are talking out your ass. Nothing was an "End of the world" situation and i never represented ANY of the reactions to be such. Hot because it's rich?…..LOL His motor is not THAT rich. If you knew more you would parrot less about theories you don't have any experience with. Nobody said it NEEDED 400's. (he ran them for one trip and is working his way down to 370's) But it DID NEED bigger than 350's and 25's. If all he was going to do is drag race…than fine. But long wide open runs on the dunes and lots of running is tight trails?….. Frank wasn't flip flopping…..he was trying NOT to list the issues I just did. Don't misunderstand someone being non-confrontational with flip-flopping. I don't claim to have a high level of Banshee knowledge. But you sure work at trying to represent that I know nothing. Strong words from a guy who in posts claims to know NOTHING about motor building, discredits dyno info…. Then wants to talk like he has an understanding of anything motor related and uses dyno results as proof of performance when it suits him. ^^^ Calls me a FRAUD…..But sold out to Trinity racing.

OMG Tyler, you just aren't happy unless somebody thinks in lock step with you. It IS possible for Frank to be disappointed with his purchase experience yet NOT pissed enough to come on here and make it his mission to put Cameron on full blast. I recommended REDLINE yet you spend page after page accusing me of bashing Cameron. Frank had CONCERNS about his motor. He called Cameron about many of them and got answers that didn't satisfy him. (Hard for Tyler to understand….."Cameron responded to each concern and gave insight"…….none of it was helpful and it didn't solve anything.) He had tranny issues and Cam couldn't provide an answer for Frank. I PERSONALLY diagnosed the problem and helped spin the wrenches and solved it with Frank. Here is how "Concerns" start - For starters…..you have a motor fully "Tuned" by your motor builder on his dyno…..yet only have 25 pilots in it??? Seeing this starts making you ask yourself questions like…..Then was it really tuned? Was it ever in a frame on a dyno? Was a run pasted from one of the many 4 mill motors he's built and THAT run sent to Frank? Did he just throw in his "Usual 4 mill jetting but grab wrong pilots"? If it did get dyno tuned….since the pilots were way off, did the needles get adjusted…or was this a main jet only kinda tune? Was this a brag number run? It was assumed that it could be dropped in the frame and ran……but clearly with 25 pilots in the carbs it would have burnt down and in the end….blame would have been on Frank since we are ALL responsible for our own jetting. So….. Now Frank is wondering about his tune. Better play it safe and call on a friend. Choose to spend his own money getting his tune looked at on IPS dyno since the answers coming from Cam aren't making his worries any less and the motor is a month late so there is no time to dial it in prior to a big trip. So, road trip to IPS and get it on the dyno. A/F runs are VERY lean. Power is not hitting the 78 the dyno curve he was sent shows. He's more concerned….. But I tell him "DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE NUMBERS!" THE DYNO IS A TOOL FOR TUNING NOT BRAGGING AND NUMBER ADVERTIZING. LET'S GET THIS THING TUNED SO IT DOESN'T BURN UP AT THE DUNES. So we start with bigger pilots and bigger mains. In the end (even with 400 mains!) it was within ONE HP of the way it arrived "As tuned by Cameron" but now the A/F readings we are seeing are no longer lean. YES the main jets was set up even higher than they needed to be to break in the motor safely, but this motor would not live on 350's with a 25 pilots, so I'm still not sure how Cameron saw A/F numbers like he did. But NOBODY is running around talking smack about that tune. Now move to ride time - Bike runs strong. We all comment that once the bugs get shook out and he learns how it likes to be ridden it will be a contender. But…..the tranny feels like shit. False neutrals and shifting on it's own over bumps. Frank makes more calls. Get's told stuff like don't rev the bike in neutral….launch in 3rd….(I get Cam's point, but Frank had a crew of knowledgeable Banshee owners riding with him and we were swapping tires and gearing and checking his free play as well as taking turns in the saddle.) End result….Cam's answers aren't providing solutions. I diagnose it as a weak spring on the shift detent arm. I tell Frank I think his tranny has a modded shift star with a full shift pro kit including the lighter spring. (I consider it widely accepted that if you run a STOCK star you run the lighter spring, but if you run a MODDED star you run the stock spring.) But after tearing down the clutch side, I find my guess was spot on. So we install a stock spring as well and tighten up the shift shaft pivot mechanism and now it shifts great. While in the shop we decide to verify as much info on the build as we can since Cameron didn't provide that info for Frank. We tested compression and checked the squish. (it measured a spot on .035 and @180 PSI) Frank is told by IPS that compression is fine and squish is on the edge of tight, but should be fine and he is sent out the door to run it for the season. (No bashing of Cameron's squish settings) Frank asked about needing a cool head in the future and he is told that in the off-season if he still wants a cool head, since we have the current squish measurement it will be easy to cut custom domes for a head later. We ALL run TTO water temp gauges and while dune riding Frank is noticing that even though he is jetted VERY rich, his motor is still running 200-210+ while all of us are running at @180. He starts to think more about a different head/dome layout. Now since the answers to his questions so far have been answered by Me and IPS and NOT effectively from Cameron, and since he has had plenty of face time with Jay at IPS…..he now is receptive to input on his motor from Jay. Jay chooses to open the squish a little for overall longevity while keeping compression the same and counter it with a little more timing. Was that something that HAD to happen……No. But a simple dome change happens all the time. I know I have tried 3-4 different dome combo's on a motor. He can easily go back to a .035 now that his domes are removable. The bike is still a beast and he is happy with his motor. Motor can still be lugged down to 3000 RPM in a corner in the wrong gear and tractor out and up the RPM band without downshifting. Runs clean throughout and isn't garbled or running wet. No plug fouling. Problem is….TYLER is not happy that Frank has second guessed on where he sent his money. For TYLER….his perspective is you should want a motor from the very top builder ever. Not being happy with a top builder I guess in his eyes makes you an idiot. (But I can think of a few unhappy PASSION customers right now...and not too long ago HE was concidered a top builder.) Frank's post purchase customer support was not quite what he hoped it would be. THAT is the only thing he was really commenting on. After all he DID have the wrong jetting as sent by Cameron (as even he has admitted) and his tranny DID have shifting issues. Answers to those those were not adequately addressed by Cameron. After visiting IPS and seeing the dyno curves of some of the 4 mill motors done there…..it is perfectly acceptable for him to feel that he might have gotten a better overall VALUE at IPS than elsewhere. (Post purchase support can have an big effect on overall value) But if ALL you wanna talk about is perceived stature in the industry and HP numbers…..then sure…..Call REDLINE. His turn around and performance are well documented and many find his post purchase support adequate. (HEY TYLER, I HAVE A REDLINE MOTOR…..You see me on here lighting him up about MY experience? NO!) Was any of this worth making a big stink over? NO. If people had just let Frank's mild builder preference comments go without additional comments, than they would have just been a blip in HQ history. (but he is still entitled to have them) But Tyler has to be a big ASSHOLE and talk shit about me and IPS when he is CLUELESS. Posts all kinds of shit calling me a liar and saying everything was misrepresented. Calls me Idiot, Fake and Shady? WTF? I hadn't even posted anything!!!! I stepped back and tried to let it breath……But Tyler has such a Hard-on for trying to make me look bad, that he couldn't help but drag me into this. My roll was helping out a buddy who wasn't getting the answers he needed from a builder I RECOMMENDED! Tyler, your roll was being your typical douche self and trying your best to look big by standing on my head. Cameron…….sorry, but your lap dog Tyler wouldn't stop barking.

I'm loading up for a ride and don't have time to provide a typical detailed "Windy" response. ... But REDLINE built MY motor.....and REDLINE was one of the places I RECOMMENDED to Frank! So feel free to find ONE POST ANYWHERE where I have bashed Cam! So Tyler, you can shut your hater mouth. For somebody who is always making accusations of others regurgitating info.....you're doing an awful lot of yapping about me and Illinois powersports with No knowledge about anything. There were issues....(minor yet concerning)....Frank made calls....Cam didn't provide answers to the issues. Chapter 2 will follow AFTER I enjoy a nice ride weekend. As for Frank....maybe his input on builder choice is more about value and service than performance. But he dropped coin on a build and is entitled to his post purchase opinon. (Even if it puts Tyler on hate blast/tilt.) And I have REPEATEDLY told Frank his motor is a strong build.

^^^^^ Didn't understand. Matt.....you're the little spoon in this story.