i bought mine to putt around and ride wheelies on. i`m coming off a 75 hp gas banshee and a nitrous drag bike, so a lil 450 thumper ain t gonna impress me? well i was impressed riding the honda.handling, torque,speed are fine for what i want it for.i`ve already owned a yfz also.it was kinda smallish for me.i just laugh when i read the whole 450 450r debates on message boards.yamaha fans say one thing, honda fans say another.i got 2 complaints about the honda, the fuckin seat is like riding a wooden plank after about 3 hours.being a white boy i got no rythm and even less ass, so after about 3 or 4 hours my ass be hurting. stall the 450 r hot, and you will have a stroke trying to get that fucker started with the polish backwards kicker.