i think i said it early that someone probaly answered my question,money for money the banshee is easier to make faster,i was on the mod part of the HQ thought i caught a chat about smokein somebody.so last weekend i raced my buddys 450 it wasnt to much of a race.his 450 is stock,ialso rode his 450 before and like someone in this chat said that a stock 450 would beat a stock banshee,and thats how i felt that was the case,i also forgot that a lot of you guys ride the sand alot more than dirt.and after the bottom line,a race is a race no matter who you race.