onebanshee

Well I can tell you that you are wrong. I have NEVER lost to a kawi and i ride with a couple of Honda's and NONE of them keep up with me, the honda's seem to have lower torque, but nothing on the top end like the LTR. The KTM's are faster, but they are $$$$. I would say that the YFZ has the slight power edge in the lower, but my LTR seems to have a better top end it seems to pull longer. I do agree with what you said on riders ability, thats where 90% of races are won or lost, but I rarely lose to a similar or slightly more modded 450 compared to mine. But, I have no problem taking on mild banshees. I drag a lot at the dunes so I do consider my-self to be a good rider, I win most of races off the launch. I am also fairly light at 155lbs, so that also helps. But let me put this out there. I AM NOT FLAMING banshees, I agree 100% banshees are the KING, thats why i am still here and still have wet dreams of building a hill-shooter and pop a boner when a drag banshee pulls up to the drag hill. I was just saying that the 450's are plenty capable of producing good power and they can compete with the banshee. It just takes a little work. ONE ONE

I sold my Banshee a couple years ago and bought the LTR450, which I have to say I am VERY impressed with. Granted it doesnt have the arm ripping powerband, but it is fun to have power whenever you need/want it. I also had a banshee that was not reliable, I think it spent more time being towed back to camp then it did running. So just based off reliability alone I am happy about my choice. I ride dunes 99% of the time and so I have matched up against many banshees. It takes a decent modded banshee to keep up with me and I have very limited mods. As far as power goes, I would say the Honda is bottom of the pack in the 450 class. Like what has been stated, it takes a lot of mods to make the honda 450 compete with the others. With that said, I have seen some Hondas at the dunes that will smoke anything out there but they are high dollar machines. I too was skeptical about 4-strokes but I must say that I am stoked on my LTR still. I will build another banshee for a hill-shooter someday but as far as all-around fun at the dunes, track, or trails, I would pick my LTR. ONE

I was thinking of taking my girl and quad to L.S this coming weekend, (oct. 17th-18th). The weather is suppose to be good here in Salt Lake, 70's. I am just curious if anyone else is thinking of going up, and/or is it still good riding this time of year? let me know if anyone wants to meet up. ONE

Thats a cool pic of all the dune locations. Just goes to show, there is nothing good about the east coast. No big mountains, no sand! Who would want to live there? ONE

I read somewhere that 7lbs removed is about the same as adding 1hp. So, i dont know if this actually true, it may have been someone blowing smoke up my ass, but it seems true. I am a little guy, 5'8 160 and I seem to kill other people that have similar mods. When we go to the dunes, my bro will let me ride his bike if he cant beat someone when he is on it, he is 6'0 and 200ish. It makes a BIG difference, if the race was close with him on it, I will usually pull 2-3 bikes on them when I am on his. PEACE ONE

I had a buddy that would break his stuff in just like he rode it. He was a crazy kid and never took it easy on stuff. He usually had one of the faster bikes, and I started to break my stuff in like him and have had no problems. When i bought my 07 LTR450 I took it to the track and took a few easy laps and then just got on it WOT. And now when i go to the dunes or wherever, I can usually take any LTR that has same or similar mods. And of course i kill everything else.... Tell him to not be a pussy and go for it... However, my quad really did not "wake up" till about 15-20 hours were put on. So, its not gonna be a real race till he is properly broke in. ONE

I need an older bike to get around town on. My truck is killing me with gas and now my job is relocating and I will now be about 20 miles away. I could care less how the bike looks, as long as it gets me from A to B. If anyone has old bike they would be willing to part with, or any ideas on what kind of bike to look into. I really dont want to spend more then $500-$600. was the RZ that had the 350 two-stroke, where could i find one of those? any help appreciated ONE

I am assuming he is talking mx, it takes A LOT for a banshee to compete on the track with an LTR. The LTR is a sick quad. I would recommend it over any other 450, maybe the YFZ, but other then that, nothing else really compares. Good in the dunes, lots of power, easy and cheap to mod, awesome on the track, overall an awesome quad. ONE

I dont know what you are smoking, but pass it this way please... They were either shity riders or didnt know they were racing. ONE

Stock vs Stock, he will be beat you off the line and till the end of the race. Once you start modding you will have a better chance. ONE

My bro has a HMF and that would be my FIRST choice as well. Easy to maintain, awesome power, and sounds great. One of my buddies races and builds a lot of quads and his favorite for the YFZ is the HMF. I would strongly recommend it. ONE

Just fix it up so it does not look like any other banshee out there. Or if your really worried about it, buy a new frame and do an engine swap. But, i agree with whats been said, if they did not do anything right then or by now, you should be good. ONE

Yeah, i really dont see this happening, its kinda like trying to get a top-fuel dragster to compete with a Nascar on the oval. Just wont happen. The new 450's will smoke you on a track, unless you do suspension mods. Don't worry about the power as much right now, put your money into suspension, steering, etc... Even if you just put pipes on it, the power will be there for the track, but the handling will take $$$$$$$$$ ONE

Wholy shit, this is a old thread... Anywho I might as well give an update. I have had my LTR for a while now and I must admit I love it, it is fun as hell to ride. I ride 99% dunes and I think it does awesome in the dunes. I always had a blast on my shee but the LTR is one hell of a good quad. For those of you that think they have no powerband, you could not be more wrong, granted it does not have the arm-ripping power band like the banshee, but it does have a pretty impressive powerband, but unlike the banshee it makes power all they way through. I know i know, save yourselfs the trouble, i know banshees are "capable" of making low end power, but it will NEVER compare to the newer 4-strokes. I would not give my LTR up for anything. And no I am not trader, I have bought another banshee and I am in the process of rebuilding. We will see how it compares to the LTR when its done, I am however making this one more of a hillshooter. So it will smoke the LTR in a straight line. LiftdT4R... I have been a member for a long while now, Just because i bought another quad doesn't mean I am just going to leave this site, I will always have a soft spot for banshees. lata ONE

I'm from Salt Lake, never heard of the him... Does he have business or where does he work, i might be able to help you out.....

I think this might be the FIRST time a newby has come on and USED the search button to solve his question before asking... WOW... I am impressed. Welcome to site ONE

DEAL!!!!!!! Then we will race for titles. If your serious I will plan a trip down there and walk all over the KFX. They are the slowest of the 450's. Your better off with a 400ex. I have EMBARRASSED EVERY SINGLE KFX that i have raced. They are SLOW!!!!!! one

I was there over the 4th of july, i make it up there about 3-4 times a year, next time i come up i will let you know. I will run with your banshee. Plus i really want to ride St. A's with a local and go check out some cool spots. I have been there enough to know a lot of cool areas but i always find something new when i am out there. and colby... i am not trying to start shit, but honostly the KFX will NOT beat a LTR in a drag. Especially in sand. I have raced tons of KFX's in the sand and i can say with 100% certainty the LTR bike v bike will win. out of all the 450's i would rate the KFX the slowest. I have lost to YFZ and 450r's but NEVER a KFX. In fact last time i went to walden dunes in colo. there were 2 KFX with pipes, that could not make it up one of the dunes they had to keep backing down and get further and further back, finally made it when they were hittin it at top speed. I would go right up to the face, stop put it in first, drop the clutch and i would shift through till 3rd. AND I'M NOT EVEN PIPED. I lost a lot of respect for those KFX's after that. AND, also at St. A's i was dragging and a piped KFX rolled up and lined up with me and my bro and he got smoked 3-4 times, he eventually just left. I'm a light guy barely 160 so i do have an advantage, but when I pull 4-5 bikes lengths on the KFX that says something, and i have raced enough KFX to say its not just a shity rider that i am beating. ONE

You obviously havent raced a KFX vs LTR. I know from first hand experience the KFX is not even close to the power of the LTR. At the dunes I will kill every KFX out there and like i posted earlier in this thread, i'm running close to stock. THe only other 450 our there right now that can beat the LTR is the YFZ, those things are tough to beat, they run very strong. But i will take the suspension and efi of the LTR anyday over the yammi. And 4strokessucks.... I am gonna have to call bullshit that you beat those bikes unless it was a 10 year old riding the bike. Those bikes fly man. ONE

I went to St. A's over the 4th of july, I was beating and competing with most of the shee's there with my LTR, which has CherryBomb, 13t sprocket, no airlid, removed baffle, and 110 octane race gas. Like what was said earlier, these are no joke, it takes a little more then just boltons to beat some of the new 450's. There was also some YFZ out there running that were cleaning up, i only saw a couple people with highly modded quads run with them. Rick (from wyoming) on his modded 700 rapy was even havin a hard time run with some of them. but as far as money goes, you cant beat the banshee. cheap power. one

I would say its the chain.....

+1 Well said

I completely agree with been said, Banshee's are a beast, thats why we all own one (most of us). It just pisses me off when some punk ass kid comes on here spewing all this bullshit nonsense. "whats wrong with the banshee or are the 450's that fast". Get over it, banshees can be beaten. It seems like the people that are most arrogant are the ones that have pieces of shit banshees that are not tuned and have set of beat up FMF's. People that KNOW quads know that 450's can be fast if they are set up right, JUST LIKE BANSHEE's. O'YA, they dont have same feel as the banshee's powernband because they MAKE power all the way through. With that said, you CAN make a banshee faster than a 450, no question about it. But 450's deserve respect, thats all I am trying to say. one

Yeah he does, but only in street fights. You put him a ring or cage with an experienced trained fighter and he will get his ass kicked. In the world of MMA he is a joke, in street fights he is king. So i would say that is a good analogy. Banshee's are fast in a straight line, and unless you put a lot of money into new a-arms, shocks etc... its not EVER gonna compete with a new 450 on a track. And i know from experience some 450's like my LTR wake up alot just like banshees when you start bolting things on. To think that any banshee can take a new 450 is just plain ignorant. And to also think that you dont have to be a good rider to ride one is a fuckin joke too. Both banshee's and 450's take skill to ride. I said it once and I will say it again, I will line up with anyone that thinks their "bolt on" banshee can take on a "bolt on" LTR and I will show you they deserve respect. I am not arrogant enough to claim that I will win every race, but I most definitely compete. ONE

your on, I will take on any of your "bolt on" shee's with my "bolt on" LTR. Its comical how ignorant some people are. I AM NOT TALKING SHIT ON banshees. But the new 4-strokes can be really nasty, just like banshee's if you tune them right and know how to ride they will compete. now if your talking about ported and stroked shee's, it will take a lot to compete with that. one