timing

[nwitthus]

I just got a timing plate and a 200w stator I plan on going +4 I have 18cc domes and run 110 will I need to rejet the bike or will every thing be the same just more low end power?

[Jhughes7]

I just got a timing plate and a 200w stator I plan on going +4 I have 18cc domes and run 110 will I need to rejet the bike or will every thing be the same just more low end power?

 

No you dont need to re-jet.

[nwitthus]

thanks for the info if I go more will that give it more power on the low end and less on the top end

[Screaming Yellow Zonker]

the more timing you add the less low end you get.

[blowit]

the more timing you add the less low end you get.

 

 

The Banshee will gain both in top and bottom end with the correct ignition advancement. Top end will start to decline when max advance is approached.

 

brandon

[nwitthus]

so should I go +/- to gain low end I am not sure to the different answers

[ClimbAnyHill]

The Banshee will gain both in top and bottom end with the correct ignition advancement. Top end will start to decline when max advance is approached.

 

brandon

You're saying when it hits top end, you mean when it hits a certain gear?

If I go +4 on my stock t5 with 300 jets & K&N pods, what kind of top end will I loose??

Thanks.

[Bansh-eman]

The Banshee will gain both in top and bottom end with the correct ignition advancement. Top end will start to decline when max advance is approached.

 

brandon

this is new to me... please expalin... when you advance your gaining bottom end at the sacrifice of top... so how would it gain both? your times might be faster yes but gain power in both? i dont think so...

[blowit]

this is new to me... please expalin... when you advance your gaining bottom end at the sacrifice of top... so how would it gain both? your times might be faster yes but gain power in both? i dont think so...

 

 

Wrong, simply stated, the Banshee has a lazy ignition curve (retarded). Yes, if OEM ignition is dead on from the factory, you boost bottom end and lose some top but the Banshee needs advanced ignition just to get power back where it needs to be. On the dyno, we see boost across the board until around 4-5 degrees advanced and then top end we start to fall off. This is assuming stock ports and 21cc heads.

 

OEMs hardly ever put timing right at the edge because of assumed liability. Most OEM products will benefit by simply moving up the ignition slightly. Please look at Factory Pro timing goods. They have made a business by simply bumping ignitions a couple degrees and it works! This is always true for all machines but in the case of the Banshee, it is.

 

 

Brandon

Edited May 4, 2007 by blowit

[blowit]

Simply stated, the Banshee has a lazy ignition curve (retarded). Yes, if OEM ignition is dead on from the factory, you boost bottom end and lose some top but the Banshee needs advanced ignition just to get power back where it needs to be. On the dyno, we see boost across the board until around 4-5 degrees advanced and then top end we start to fall off. This is assuming stock ports and 21cc heads.

 

OEMs hardly ever put timing right at the edge because of assumed liability. Most OEM products will benefit by simply moving up the ignition slightly. Please look at Factory Pro timing goods. They have made a business by simply bumping ignitions a couple degrees and it works! This is always true for all machines but in the case of the Banshee, it is.

Brandon

 

http://www.factorypro.com/images/dynochart...%20adv_comp.gif

 

Here ya go! Please note that the power NEVER falls below the stock power curve anywhere in the RPM range. The reasons for the power increase are sited above.

 

Brandon

[Bansh-eman]

do they ahve one related to a banshee? i have never seen anything that suggest both top and bottom end power gains from advancing timing on one...

[blowit]

do they ahve one related to a banshee? i have never seen anything that suggest both top and bottom end power gains from advancing timing on one...

 

 

I will see if I can find one of our dyno sheet with just the timing work. We lost some data a while back and not sure if that file was one of them.

 

Brandon

[dajogejr]

the more timing you add the less low end you get.

 

Exact opposite....

 

Ignition programmers add timing at lower to mid RPMs to gain HP...but retard the timing at higher RPMs for better overrev...