starts perfect when cold but hot wont start

[ssjgoku419]

hello all

I Have a bunch of banshee's and have never had this problem.I figured all the experts on here could help. It starts up FIRST kick when it is cold, but after i go ride it and shut it off for whatever reason it WILL NOT START up at all with the kick starter. i have to push start it. PLEASE HELP anyone have a simaler prob.All my other shee's once they r warm they fire first kick every time.

 

by the way it is a new shee (for me 96) and has vito everthing and true and welded crank, fmf fattys,high flow water pump.

 

any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

[trail rider]

well, my guess would be time for rebuild. Try checkin ur compression while its cold then ride it around and warm it up to normal riding temp. and check it again. But I've never had to rebuild mine yet, so, could be something else

 

 

and btw, how many banshee's do you have?

[sheefreak]

Have seen this problem before and ended up being either the stator or the coil(not the pickup coil). I don't know for sure cause which ever one started going bad first screwed up the other, ended up replacing both. It sounds like the same problem though. Once the electrics would heat up, only way to get it started was to push start it.

[Spitfire]

That's usually a good sign you need a topend rebuild, check your compression and go from there.

[fixitrod]

Or your pilot jet is rich with the warm weather. Try turning the pilot screws out 1/2 to 1 turn out further than they are. See if that helps.

[ssjgoku419]

thanks for all yor replys

I dont think it needs to be rebiult it was just done about 25 - 30 hrs ago. my first guess actually was it was too rich and loading up i guess u would say after it is warm... hhhmmm might be electrical though , i will go and check both out right now.thanks

 

by the way i have 3 shees, one 03 ice racer currently under rebiud , and 2 96's

i just sold my 94(just frame and block left on that one)

[ssjgoku419]

PLEASE HELP

i did a spark test it was real weak searched and found a busted wire on the cdi box, repaired has awsome spark. NOW it started up and ran for a min then died and will not start with kick starter at all only push start. I turned the idle down and played with it it did not help. when i do pull start it it doesnt want to run in 1st and 2nd get into third and it comes alive again.just cause i took a bunch of stuff off my 03 to see if it would help ,primary ciol secondary , i am getting really pissed now push start by your self with no hills is getting old

[Rare Scottish Tree Badger]

push start by your self with no hills is getting old

.... Sorry, but that was just tooooo funny.

 

Have you tried a compression check to rule a few things out? How do you know it's had a top end done 30 hours ago - you only just bought it, so you wouldn't know what punishment it's been through.

 

EDIT: It does sound electrical tho'. ... Have you got a cdi that you can swap in? And also a stator.

 

Rare.

[ssjgoku419]

rare-

its only funny when its not u hehe

 

i did not do a compresion check yet. I did just recently get it but it was from a guy i race with on the ice and party with .......but still u never know ,the way poeple r these days i geuss .And it wasnt just a topend biuld it was the whole thing .

 

i geuss u learn somthing new every day. 99-up banshees have different electrical than 99-below. i thought the cdi might be it so iwas gonna switch it with my 03' and it is different, different connectors,more wires and bigger. 350 FOR A NEW ONE IS CRAZY TALK. I did do the test for the stator and stuff and it checked out , still i pulled the cover and cleaned all the contacts,

 

do you think that broken reeds could cause this? I also pushed started it and did a hot plug check and it is text book perfect but it is REALLy weak through 1st and 2nd then gets on it in 3rd

 

thanks for the reply , any info is appreciated

[80overShee]

I had this same exact problem. I mean exactly. Here is the messed up part..... I don't know how I fixed it After running for 15-20 minutes it just wouldnt start any more. I did a compression check and it was somewhat low (just before I rebuilt) but not drastic. Here is what I did....

 

1. Checked all electrical connections, cleaned them all very well with contact cleaner or a terminal brush

 

2. Scraped all grounding points with a wire brush as well as the ground wires

 

3. Check stator coil output and resistance specs. Ignition coil wouldn't give me a good reading so I bought an extra....never put it on

 

4. Rejetted to a high main, I think it was running too hot and was causing low compression when warm, that probably wasn't the main cause but it could have contributed. It was definitely overheating, rejetting fixed this.

 

Took the flywheel and stator off and checked for visible damage, none found but I cleaned the stator up during the process.

 

My spark was VERY VERY weak, to the point that I had to replace plugs every few hours of run time, too much use and they would have too much resistance. I wish I could tell you which of these things fixed the problem but I can't, all I can say is I have excellent spark now. I believe it was a combination of cleaning the connections up and rejetting. The weak spark was only part of the equation, it will still start with weak spark but after warmng up (and overheating) I didnt have enough compression to start with weak spark.

[Rare Scottish Tree Badger]

do you think that broken reeds could cause this? 

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Strange that it clears up in 3rd. ... With such strange behaviour in different areas it wouldn't be such a bad idea to check out the reads.

 

Rare.

[sredish]

Or your pilot jet is rich with the warm weather.

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This is my first guess. If your pilot is a little rich when it's cold. It'll start easier (basically like having the choke on), but once warm, it'll get hard to start and be similar to having the choke on while it's warm and trying to start it.

 

Pull the choke when it's cold and try to start it, see if it's more of a problem. If so, then that just might be the ticket. consider changing it anyway, down one size to see if that helps.

 

Scott

[sheefreak]

I think I would try what sredish suggested, but don't rule out the electrical. I have seen stators that are starting to fail give good readings. If it is electrical, these problems can be stressful. Good luck to ya!

[ssjgoku419]

thanks for all your replys everyone

 

im leaning towards electrical cause it seems the more i mess with it the worse it gets. NOW it wont een start cold with the kickstarter. im going to clean all electrical connections and maybe swap a good stator assembly into it.

could a failing stator cause it to bog down until it gets to third????

 

i just hope that a stator from an 03' will work in the96' (it is the only good one i got)

 

[dll_llb]

Was getting ready to post something very similiar. Im just curious will a stator put off a spark (when checking for spark) even if it wont start with the kick starter? Mine use to start first kick ok maybe no more than three. Then would get hot and wouldnt start only by push starting now wont even start at all, only with pull starting. Compression good. Lighting side of stator bad, ignition side reading 19.8 ohms. What you think time for a new stator ?

 

Thanks