Verrrry Intersting, was 9-11 a set up?

[Fireman-hott]

Well thanks for beating me to that line Brooke, if I wasnt trying to get the fiancee to let me do her I may have answered him first

 

And Holyman for the sake of answering as you like to do, PROVIDE ME WITH FACTS that fucking prove the president is an idiot.

 

 

You do realize Holyman, the only difference between Bravery and Idiocy; is the outcome.

[Holyman]

id

[Fireman-hott]

Based on the fact that Bush claims he didn't know there was a threat to this country before the planes hit

He didnt thats been proven, HE DID NOT READ THE REPORT ON IT.

 

5 minutes... correction... 7 minutes after the planes hit it was Bin Laden.

HE WAS STILL IN THE FUCKING CLASSROOM AFTER 7 MINUTES, DID YOU FORGET ABOUT RIPPING ON HIM ABOUT THAT?? Also it was days after before they figured that out, and months before we invaded Afghanistan.

 

He also lied about there being a complete WMD program at Saddam's disposal.

I'm not fucking digging back up in this fucking thread for the link I posted.

The shit is there, the media doesn't give a f*ck. It was proven that with what was found in Iraq there was a WMD program. WHY THE f*ck DID THEY CALL THAT BITCH DR. GERM? Cause she had a cold all the time?

 

And his complete inability to clearly speak English the language of the country that he is the president of.

There ya go, the guy doesn't pronounce nuclear right, now he can't speak english? Fucking please, do you understand him when he talks YES. THEREFORE HE CAN SPEAK ENGLISH.

Gosh damnit Holyman that was weak.

 

Iraq exports 45.4% of it's exports to the US it's largest trading partner, South Korea exports 17.9% to US second only to China at 20.1%. China's biggest export partner is US at 21.1%.

Well f*ck Holyman, considering all Iraq has is Oil and plants to make drugs, what do you think that 40% represents? Probably the oil that drives our, biggest user of resources, fucking country.

 

Like I said only an idiot would be a major contributer to the "axis of evil" countries that he claims are a threat.

JJ are you serious in thinking he can debate? Comeon Holyman, just because we declare a country an enemy DOESN'T MEAN we stop exporting. FOr Christs sake that was lame.

 

 

A foolish or stupid person.

FUCKING EXACTLY HOLYMAN! YOU attempt something one would consider foolish and complete it, your BRAVE, fail it and your a FUCKING IDIOT!.

 

 

*EDIT* WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW BTW.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Fireman-hott

[Meat]

his complete inability to clearly speak English the language of the country that he is the president of.

 

How bout it Holyman... did you ever see Bush with his "deer caught in the headlights" look ? And then he stutters and stammers out these replies trying ever so hard to sound smart. I love it when comedians rip on Bush, Will Ferrel does a great Bush impression. One word.... "strategery".

 

And just so ya know H-man.... Im agree'in alot more with you than the others on this subject, I applaud your patience and also agree with J.J.'s comments a few posts before this one. I gave up debating when I saw the "kiss the ring, bitch" and the 50 "kool aid" quotes when someone thinks they're 100% correct all of the time. There are always two sides of every story. Bush says "Kerry voted against a pay increase and additional body armor for the troops", but he fails to say that the bill also included "no bid" clauses for Haliburton. There's a great article in the newspaper this week about what Bush says... and what the real truth is. I'll find it and post it asap.

 

And all you folks not working "pee'on" jobs, you better start learnin' your Chinese. Cause sooner or later...... all American businesses will have to outsource all thier jobs to China to be competitive... not just pe'on jobs. You can count on that.

[Meat]

I'm not fucking digging back up in this fucking thread for the link I posted.

The shit is there, the media doesn't give a f*ck. It was proven that with what was found in Iraq there was a WMD program. WHY THE f*ck DID THEY CALL THAT BITCH DR. GERM? Cause she had a cold all the time?

 

Gimme me a link showing these WMD they found. I heard Bill O'reily just the other night talking about "not finding WMD's in Iraq"..... and don't tell me he's a libral now. Its the official conclusion.... no WMD's in Iraq.

[Meat]

Oh and by the way FiremanHottster. Try to refrain on using the word "f*ck" and "fuckin" so much. It makes you sound dumb. Just an FYI there.

 

I'm not fucking digging back up in this fucking thread.....  the media doesn't give a f*ck. WHY THE f*ck DID THEY. Fucking please. Well f*ck Holyman, fucking country FUCKING EXACTLY HOLYMAN and your a FUCKING IDIOT!.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Meat

[Fireman-hott]

Yep 2 sides. Just like Kerry supported the use of force but didn't want it used the way it was.

Than next month he didn't support the use of force. Now I think last I heard he was for it again.

 

I resent the kiss the rings bitch part. I happened to have watching the reparations skit on Dave Chappelle and couldn't help but feel inclined to use my new black vocabulary.

 

Meat, previously in the thread, we provided fact against what Holyman posted, still do, yet he is unmovable in his beliefs. Where there some thing Bush has done that I dont know about, eh probably. But you have to ask yourself, do you believe in Micahel Moore and his crapumentaury(I can get a definition) and most of the conspiracy theorist crap. Or do you go with facts that were presented to you, you think both me and Brooke have grown tired of this thread because we are losing on the facts grounds? No I'm tired of repeating the same shit over and over and over. So Bush isn't witty with his responses, SO WHAT. Come to my firehouse and sit with us when we are talking, see if you can keep up and slide in a response. Some people are able to think quick on thier feet some are not. That doesn't meen he is any less of a president because he can't.

Kerry is riding high on his vietnam horsem even though heonly spent 4 months there. Bush is trying to hide from his guard problems, That unit was never dispatched to Vietnam anyway, so even if he was there the whole time he would never have gone. Does that make him any less of a president?

Welp the baby is crying I gotta change his shitty diaper I"m sure.

[KGL]

Holyman,

You asked why I'm not fighting the war now ? I am by supporting our troops and our president. As for the military , when I got out of high school I had a job with a good future , and there wasnt yet the realization of what we face today. My brother , my brother in law , along with classmates and a former teacher however are in the military and are engaged in a just war . They are fighting for all of us , and the Iraqi people.

You can spew any theory you want here on the internet , it just pisses me off that the gift of freedom is wasted on someone like you . Your continued use of the word regime shows everyone here just how ungrateful you are for what you've got for just being born

here when others are dying everyday , just to get 1/10th of what weve got .

What would you say if I told you to stop putting your opinions on this post , and if you continued I will rape your wife in front of you , kill your kids , and then you ?

That is reality in a dictatorship , that is what happened under Saddams rule , why should you have freedom? because you were born in a certain part of the world or because it is

what every human deserves ?

This "idiot" and "bumbler" as you call him has done more for humanity in one day , than you could do with your lifetime...

I dont care how honest you say you are , or how well you command the english language , if you're not doing anything to change all this stuff you've been complaining about , what the the hell good are you? You are the "eternal pot stirrer" , you throw all kinds of theories out there just to get a response, bad or good... I think you just like the attention.

[stclark04]

holy man is a hell of a debater, i dont care what you say. his comments actually make since without using the work "f*ck" in ever other line. i respect that holy man can give his side in a mature grown up way.

[Fireman-hott]

Well Meat there is a study out that says using the word f*ck in the workplace is good for morale. I'll look for the link.

 

WMD heres one. More recently I might add.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123680,00.html

 

"Everybody knew Saddam had chemical weapons, the question was, where did they go. Unfortunately, everybody jumped on the offramp and said 'well, because we didn't find them, he didn't have them,'" said Fox News military analyst Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney.

 

They believe the mustard gas shell may have been one of 550 projectiles for which former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein failed to account when he made his weapons declaration shortly before Operation Iraqi Freedom began last year. Iraq also failed to then account for 450 aerial bombs with mustard gas. That, combined with the shells, totaled about 80 tons of unaccounted for mustard gas.

 

Did you hear about all those projectiles found with gases in them? Heck no (<--cleaned for ya Meat )

Why, I guess 80tons of Mustard gas alone isn't enough to be considered mass destruction of life.

 

Oh and before you throw the, oh they didn't know what was in it rebuttle. If not than they stole it form some cache somewhere close by correct? So my guess would be that more are close somewhere.

 

Al Qaeda-connected terror chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) and other terrorists are apparently trying to recruit Iraqi weapons of mass destruction experts and resources for possible future attacks against the U.S.-led coalition

That would explain why they actually wanted the women out of prison instead of in it. Dr. Germ bees a woman.

 

It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue, and --we may yet find them, Chris. Look, I want to make it clear: Who knows if a month from now, two months from now, you find some weapons. You may. But you certainly didn't find them where they said they were, and you certainly didn't find them in the quantities that they said they were. And they weren't found, and I have talked to some soldiers who have come back who trained against the potential of artillery delivery, because artillery was the way they had previously delivered and it was the only way they knew they could deliver. Now we found nothing that is evidence of that kind of delivery, so the fact is that as you peel it away I think it comes down to this larger ideological and neocon concept of fundamental change in the region and who knows whether there are other motives with respect to Saddam Hussein, but they did it because they thought they could, and because they misjudged exactly what the reaction would be and what they could get away with.

 

Kerry on Hardball. Doesn't matter to him I guess if you find them in underground tunnels and not military bases, because they weren't where you said they were in the first place.

 

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../9/154650.shtml

 

Radiation laced missles.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html

 

Shit, the baby just ripped some serious ass, and it sounded wet. another diaper woohoo.

 

his comments actually make since without using the work "f*ck" in ever other line.

Go back to the beginning of this thread when I wasn't. I'm tired of repeating myself, and at some point I was bound to crack. So I used fvck, like that changes everything? Just because some teacher or your parents say its a bad word, that should never be used? I fits the situation better than, crap, or aw hell hone.

 

He changed the subject from 9/11 conspiracy, to governments conspiracy, to Bushs economy, and now to Iraq. He hasn't won at any of them. PERIOD. SHOW ME THE FACT SUPPORTING HIS SIDE. Mature? Yeah tell me that when I'm saving some guys life. You were saved by an immature punk that uses cuss words.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Fireman-hott

[rebelbanshee2]

found a few WMD stories..didnt take to long either. But im sure this isnt enough evidence...mustard and sarin gas arnt *that* bad..and since the main networks didnt give it hardly any coverage it isnt actually fact...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108046,00.html

 

believe it or not i know a few smart people that arnt the best with words and even make up odd words. Just because someone isnt an eloquent statesman doesnt mean they cant be a good leader...

 

for as much as an idiot bush is he sure did a good job at tricking the whole country into believing the 9-11 attacks were fake and how to steal all iraqs oil without anyone figuring it out until now.

 

Any Genn Beck fans out there? He has a new shirt it has kerrys face with a couple waffles that says "i voted for kerry before i voted against him"

Edited September 25, 2004 by rebelbanshee2

[Fireman-hott]

Yeah they aren't that bad , but a little bit killed 12 people and sickened thousands in Japans subway tunnles a few years back remember?

*edit* So Fox news is no longer a major network?

Edited September 25, 2004 by Fireman-hott

[rebelbanshee2]

Yeah they aren't that bad , but a little bit killed 12 people and sickened thousands in Japans subway tunnles a few years back remember?

*edit* So Fox news is no longer a major network?

when i say major networks i mean SeeBS ABS and NBS..the ones who still think they are the only ones reporting the news still and ths they can make up and decide what is news worthy...WMDs being found apparntly wasnt news worthy

[stclark04]

his comments actually make since without using the work "f*ck" in ever other line.

Go back to the beginning of this thread when I wasn't. I'm tired of repeating myself, and at some point I was bound to crack. So I used fvck, like that changes everything? Just because some teacher or your parents say its a bad word, that should never be used? I fits the situation better than, crap, or aw hell hone.

 

He changed the subject from 9/11 conspiracy, to governments conspiracy, to Bushs economy, and now to Iraq. He hasn't won at any of them. PERIOD. SHOW ME THE FACT SUPPORTING HIS SIDE. Mature? Yeah tell me that when I'm saving some guys life. You were saved by an immature punk that uses cuss words.

heyyy nowww.. by all means say f*ck as many times as you want to, hey ill say it too. f*ck f*ck f*ck f*ck. make u feel better? i never said u cant say the word f*ck. but why use it in a friendly debate. holyman is calm. usually when someone gets so frusterated is because they know in one way or another that they might be wrong. uh ohh.. oh, also, im not going to sit here and try to find u supporting details. i really dont care all that much about it. all i was saying is that it makes holyman's position look alot better. im not going to sit here and debate u over some stupid stuff. so reply to this as many times as u want (using the word f*ck) and bash on me for whatever u please. im not going to argue one way or another. didnt mean to start an argument, just my two cents about the debate.

 

oh and also, the comment about being mature and saving someones life. that was a stupid comment. if u dont have enough common sense to understand what i meant, then i dont know what to tell ya. thankyou and have a nice day.

[banshee370]

Lots of reading here.... but worth it if you ask me.

(taken from BT)

 

I guess Holyman can hit the snooze button and go back to sleep.

 

 

 

Subject: World War III Began in 1979

 

 

 

This is not very long, but very informative. You have to read the catalogue

of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the

position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit

back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother

us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979...

that alarm has been ringing for years.

 

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station,

Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month It is an

accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action

is so necessary.

 

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

 

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than

3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should

have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been

buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll

over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

 

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a

religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked

and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright

attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most

powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this

sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25

years.

 

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and

had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had

to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The

ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's

inability to deal with terrorism.

 

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the

end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly

organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was

doomed from the start.

 

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and

killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her

citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

 

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into

the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The

alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

 

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over

2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps

headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her

dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

 

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is

driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

 

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate

of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

 

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a

restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

 

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main

gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze

alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

 

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we

watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list

and executed.

 

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when

they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic

bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

 

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying

to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

 

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

 

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two

CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley,

Virginia.

 

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after

a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking

garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and

over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The

Snooze alarm is depressed again.

 

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

 

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35

yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys

the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over

500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America

does not respond decisively.

 

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US

embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision.

They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to

sleep.

 

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12

October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded

killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we

sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

 

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think

this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are.

America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the

snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

 

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high

officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But

if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see

exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the

National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since

1979.

 

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we

have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a

people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act

decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We have to be ready to

pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We

cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll

over and go back to sleep.

 

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we

have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to

disseminate to terrorists around the world.

 

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,

political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't

have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a

political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN

thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to

come.

 

If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can

especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class

and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you

don't believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.