120mph in 8th? But set up for dirt racing

[dajogejr]

I think Bush did a great job protecting this country, unfortunately, he did a terrible job running it.

 

Do I think Iraq had WMD? Yep...

 

Why should we give a fuck or care in the world of they do? That was not our fight.

The biggest problem with our government in general is they think we should be the worlds policeman.

 

We are not going to make a difference overseas. They've been fighting religious wars for thousands of years...we are not going to make a difference, period.

 

Let them dumb fucks bomb themselves out of existence....back to the stone age...who cares?

 

You could go back and forth on who's fault it is...Clinton's, Bush's, etc. Bottom line is our kid's kid's futures are now mortgaged to the hilt based on how this country is spending money.

I live in MI, near Detroit...and I still think they should've let GM and Chrysler sink or swim.

 

Here's a fact.

 

When the government took over the Mustang ranch, which sold booze and a piece of ass, they couldn't even do that right.

What makes anyone think they can run a car company any better?

 

Sorry...end of my rant...

[shanYE west]

I think Bush did a great job protecting this country, unfortunately, he did a terrible job running it.

 

Do I think Iraq had WMD? Yep...

 

Why should we give a fuck or care in the world of they do? That was not our fight.

The biggest problem with our government in general is they think we should be the worlds policeman.

 

We are not going to make a difference overseas. They've been fighting religious wars for thousands of years...we are not going to make a difference, period.

 

Let them dumb fucks bomb themselves out of existence....back to the stone age...who cares?

 

You could go back and forth on who's fault it is...Clinton's, Bush's, etc. Bottom line is our kid's kid's futures are now mortgaged to the hilt based on how this country is spending money.

I live in MI, near Detroit...and I still think they should've let GM and Chrysler sink or swim.

 

Here's a fact.

 

When the government took over the Mustang ranch, which sold booze and a piece of ass, they couldn't even do that right.

What makes anyone think they can run a car company any better?

 

Sorry...end of my rant...

 

Actually Dave, I agree with all of that.

 

 

[Bansh-eman]

What makes you think you know any more? you got a PHD in economics? Dont bash a guy for speaking his opinon. Everyone is entitled to one.. even you.

 

Bush took us to war without the UN's approval.. so we had to front the bill for it. For what? weapons of mass destruction that were never found? now all we have to show for it is a national debt that is higher then its ever been. (which was already higher before obama took office) I think someone should have been looking at our own economy.... rather then try to rebuild someone elses.. ooohh.. thats right, somone had oil investments. I know.. he can't have any investments by law blah blah blah.. we all know there is loop holes and his 4th removed cousin is now suddenly a billionare..

 

What dictates pricing on imported goods? Taxes... Who sets taxes on imported goods? The president is responsible for making it cheaper to import goods and outsource jobs...

I dont know if any of you remember when he started the security and prosperity partnership. Obviously Bush wasn't worried about american businesses. We've lost one of the biggest corp. in my industry to Mexico. yeah.. bush was great!!..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ijMcLk84M

 

Bush is a ass.. Thats my opinion.. if you dont like it.... Tuff shit.

Shane you have already proven that you will argue for the sake of arguing. What makes me think I know more? Facts, that

[Bansh-eman]

I think Bush did a great job protecting this country, unfortunately, he did a terrible job running it.

 

Do I think Iraq had WMD? Yep...

 

Why should we give a fuck or care in the world of they do? That was not our fight.

The biggest problem with our government in general is they think we should be the worlds policeman.

 

We are not going to make a difference overseas. They've been fighting religious wars for thousands of years...we are not going to make a difference, period.

 

Let them dumb fucks bomb themselves out of existence....back to the stone age...who cares?

 

You could go back and forth on who's fault it is...Clinton's, Bush's, etc. Bottom line is our kid's kid's futures are now mortgaged to the hilt based on how this country is spending money.

I live in MI, near Detroit...and I still think they should've let GM and Chrysler sink or swim.

 

Here's a fact.

 

When the government took over the Mustang ranch, which sold booze and a piece of ass, they couldn't even do that right.

What makes anyone think they can run a car company any better?

 

Sorry...end of my rant...

The problem isn't that we are going to make a difference or not, the problem was we were hit on our soil. To stand by and do nothing whether we had UN sanctions to go into whatever country would have had its own negative turmoil. Either way we were damned.

 

The problem with allowing the biggest auto manufactures to sink is the economic crash that it would cost both domestically and internationally. While I wish we could let the basterds fail, I do feel there was a better answer to pulling them out of the gutters beside handing them 700 Billion and calling it a day. But I will save that for another time.

 

Interesting enough, your example of the Mustang Ranch is a classic example of why the government needs to stay out of our "free trade market" and let capitalism reign.

 

[dajogejr]

We were hit on our soil, 9/11...by Taliban terrorists.

 

Iraq never harbored and quite honestly did not like Bin Laden or the Al Queda. (spelling)

 

So tell me what being hit on our soil has do to with our going into Iraq? Oil...that's what.

 

As far as invading Pakistan where Bin Laden and his troops are known to have been, I'm fine with that.

 

You're missing my point. We had no business in Iraq. I support our troops for defending our country after the attacks on us.

 

There were no ties to Iraq and the 9/11 bombings. Anything saying otherwise is the government brainwashing you....

 

And by the way...you should have stayed awake for that economics class, we didn't give the auto makers 700 billion.

We gave the banks that money.

And once we bailed the banks out...they still froze credit so people couldn't buy cars...then the housing market took a shit.

 

The US automakers did not get any of the TARP fund. That was a separate deal all together. There were those who said the banks SHOULD give the auto makers some of that money, it never panned out. Instead, AIG went on exorbitant vacations and retreats after getting their bailout....

 

I can sort of see giving GM money. They are a 100% public owned company. Bailing out Chrysler was pure BS. They are privately owned, and it's parent company Sirribus is swimming in profits and money.

They should've ponied up some or all of the money...not John Q. Taxpayer.

 

I agree with some of your points, but on others...you need your facts straight as well Greg.

 

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[shanYE west]

The ITC's five operations include:

 

Import Injury Investigations

Intellectual Property-Based Import Investigations

Research Program

Trade Information Services

Trade Policy Support

 

In its own words, the mission of the Commission is to:

 

Administer U.S. trade remedy laws within its mandate in a fair and objective manner;

Provide the President, USTR, and Congress with independent, quality analysis, information, and support on matters of tariffs and international trade and competitiveness; and

Maintain the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States

 

Other tariffs can be applied or lifted due to laws Implemented by the president and senate. (who is responsible for appointing the commitee)

 

Atleast thats the way I gathered it from class.... Who is responsible for NAFTA? I dont think ITC is.. Bush passed that on his own and brought the immediate elimination of tariffs on more than one half of US imports from Mexico and more than one third of US exports to Mexico. The ITC just says wich is exempt and wich isn't under the law..

 

And I only argue for the sake of arguing.. when someone is being a douche and not acting civil..

[3SGTE]

who have Bush phone number? have taliban friend than need more weapon

[Bansh-eman]

Dave,

 

That 700 Billion did NOT go only to the banks and insurance companies. That was a bailout package that was not all inclusive. If you remember there was a big stink over the money being used to bailout auto makers after the money was passed. When the original intent was to use it to bail out the banks and insurance after the mortgage crisis. When Nancy Pelosi was lobbying to use the 700 Billion she was originally told no way no how. Where did that first 25 Billion come from that was given to the auto industry? TARP was the governments Trouble Asset Relief Program to purchase assets from one institution in order to strengthen another. Our housing market was the reason for the TARP in the first place. The subprime mortgage crisis was what caused the program to unfold.

 

"The Washington Post reports that small businesses could soon join GM, Chrysler and AIG as TARP recipients. Though no firm plan has been put forth, Treasury Secretary Geitner reportedly supports the idea of opening up TARP funds to small businesses."

 

http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2...businesses.html

 

Shane,

 

Please, you

[bansheebarnes]

I think Bush did a great job protecting this country, unfortunately, he did a terrible job running it.

 

Do I think Iraq had WMD? Yep...

 

Why should we give a fuck or care in the world of they do? That was not our fight.

The biggest problem with our government in general is they think we should be the worlds policeman.

 

We are not going to make a difference overseas. They've been fighting religious wars for thousands of years...we are not going to make a difference, period.

 

Let them dumb fucks bomb themselves out of existence....back to the stone age...who cares?

 

You could go back and forth on who's fault it is...Clinton's, Bush's, etc. Bottom line is our kid's kid's futures are now mortgaged to the hilt based on how this country is spending money.

I live in MI, near Detroit...and I still think they should've let GM and Chrysler sink or swim.

 

Here's a fact.

 

When the government took over the Mustang ranch, which sold booze and a piece of ass, they couldn't even do that right.

What makes anyone think they can run a car company any better?

 

Sorry...end of my rant...

100% agree

 

[shanYE west]

Shane,

 

Please, you

[dajogejr]

Dave,

 

That 700 Billion did NOT go only to the banks and insurance companies. That was a bailout package that was not all inclusive. If you remember there was a big stink over the money being used to bailout auto makers after the money was passed. When the original intent was to use it to bail out the banks and insurance after the mortgage crisis. When Nancy Pelosi was lobbying to use the 700 Billion she was originally told no way no how. Where did that first 25 Billion come from that was given to the auto industry? TARP was the governments Trouble Asset Relief Program to purchase assets from one institution in order to strengthen another. Our housing market was the reason for the TARP in the first place. The subprime mortgage crisis was what caused the program to unfold.

 

"The Washington Post reports that small businesses could soon join GM, Chrysler and AIG as TARP recipients. Though no firm plan has been put forth, Treasury Secretary Geitner reportedly supports the idea of opening up TARP funds to small businesses."

 

http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2...businesses.html

 

A blog on a website is your current source of financial information? You're gonna have to do better than that.

Let me dig up that youtube video of Elvis working at McDonalds in Kalamazoo....that news should be bible.

 

I know about the housing market, sub prime rates, the ridiculous formula they used for making money that no one could understand and how that all crashed. You're not exactly reporting breaking news there G.

 

Just an FYI...I did some research...a LOT of research. GM and Chyrsler did not get TARP funds until they filed for Bankruptcy.

So your "first 25 billion from TARP" is wrong.

 

 

[m barrett]

what do you say to everyone who risked their lives for us by serving in the armed forces? part of the deal is that when they retire they will have ins. for the rest of their lives. what, now they have to loose their great plan to join universal health care and if they need health care at an older age they dont get it because their too old so their given pain killers used as a temporary cheap cure until they pass away? thats not fair. what about all the state employees who have worked for the last 30 yrs? universal health care is a good idea for those who cant afford it and deserve it but thats probably a small percentage of the population. its not fair for alot of others. i dont want somebody who is screwing the system on welfare to now have health ins for free. thats not right.

 

but the 120 mph phrase is funny lol

 

 

+1 ON THAT