i'm just talking 4 mil cranks. Anyone ever used WSM 4 mil stroker cranks? They are forged and for $375 from bansheedepot.com im thinking its hard to beat. I can get a 4 mil stroker crank from herrjugs for $365 but it doesnt say if its forged or not. I'm trying to buy a good crank that will last and will perform and take trail riding abuse.