the debate over which is better cracks me up.i have a 450r and love it.handles great ,it`s fast enough for what i want it for, wheelies all day.yamaha website they will prefer the yfz, honda website they will love the 450r.the debate is endless.the only thing about the r, stall that fucker hot and you will get a brain anurism kicking it with the f**kin retarded forward kick.