hualers rule on the sand 8,9or 10's work if you're geared for them! drop one front tooth [13] for some extra pwr if people say hualers don't turn? no way i've blasted down many trails on the dune with my hualers just fine, edges and the other vpaddles come around alittle easier that's all. I,ve run 8paddle hualers 20/12/9 on one of my bikes for 2years a not portted geared 14/41