yes they are different but i took them to a machine shop and had them put a banshee hole pattern in. i was using them for my winter tires but i ran across a good deal on 9" red labels. i am going to have to ad the hole pattern in those also. you can actualy open up the hole pattern from a honda and they will fit but i didnt want the slop so they rotated the hole pattern 90 degree's and put the 4 x 115 MM banshee pattern in.