heres a few pics of what a REAL hillclimb is,the pics don't do justice until you are there in person looking down at ants,but there not, there fourwheelers! talk about steep,try straight the f@#$ up! as you can see ,a warrior tried going up a hillclimb that takes alot more power than the motor makes,that hill is like 100 yards long at a 70 degree grade. a few of the bigger bore machines can do these,but dont try it on your recon! my foreman 450 with 26 inch gators cant climb 1/3 of these,it's like meat said,"it's alot harder than you think",i about $#!* myself trying to come back down some off these.none of the bikes i went with went up ANY of those big climbs,(400ex,z400,warrior) maybe 1/2 way and you have to turn sharp and whip it back down before you dig in and roll. even that mx 250R had troubles,they should have been on a BANSHEE!!! meat will be adding the pics,ENJOY!