35mm Airstrykers revisited -- Bleh!

[BansheeGuy_IV]

Hey,

 

Ya'll know my last thread about idling issues... Hey I solved those... I can make it idle with most needles. Just a little tweak to my timing via my Dyna ignition.

 

Now my next hurdle... In neutral it sounds great... You take it under load and it runs like a piece of chit.

 

It ran pretty bad with DGN needles. So I went to CGL needles. It breaks up a bit in the 1/2 to 3/4 range...

 

And it has a strange mid-RPM bog... This must be the bog everyone has complained about. Hehe. It's purely a jetting issue. I didn't have it with my mikuni carbs.

 

Anyway, The EGL needles were much worse... Dreadful in fact.

 

THis is going to be a real bear to jet. I'm startig to wonder if I don't have to replace my 3 year old V-Force petals... They look pristine... But mebbe they're weak... I'm also considering putting my stock CDI unit back on and advancing the t iming the old fashioned way.

 

Anyone have any hints?

 

BG

[s-540]

first you have to jet it for top end (WOT). do you have this done allready? then you jet it for the mid range. then idle in this order. is this the order that you have tried to jet your carbs?

[BansheeGuy_IV]

Hey guys,

 

Guess I should have put a little more info.

 

It is a 4mm longrod OEM cyliner, 12 port by Passion. ;-) Rocket pipes, V-force reeds, 35mm Airstrykers.

 

 

I've got it jetted in pretty good now. I ended up with 160 mains, CEL needles on the 4th groove, #40 pilots.

 

The low end is awesome. It is smooth all the way up to top end. With the 145 mains... 3/4 to full throttle was breaking up... Starving for fuel. I went up to 160 and it cleared up beautifully. Now I just have to do some plug chops... Ride the thing... And maybe tweak it a little to fine tune it.

 

I still may not be done with the needles. I dunno. I am thinking about trying DGL needles next. The DGK and DEK are too rich on the bottom.

 

 

BG

[wesw]

just wondering

 

have you tried

 

 

a 60 pilot, dek 5th clip and like a 145 main

 

i dont see how your bike wouldnt like the setup that mine does being that same builder.

 

but i dont know.

[Justintoxicated]

Hey guys,

 

Guess I should have put a little more info.

 

It is a 4mm longrod OEM cyliner, 12 port by Passion.  ;-)  Rocket pipes, V-force reeds, 35mm Airstrykers.

I've got it jetted in pretty good now.  I ended up with 160 mains, CEL needles on the 4th groove, #40 pilots.

 

The low end is awesome.  It is smooth all the way up to top end.    With the 145 mains... 3/4 to full throttle was breaking up... Starving for fuel.  I went up to 160 and it cleared up beautifully.  Now I just have to do some plug chops... Ride the thing... And maybe tweak it a little to fine tune it.

 

I still may not be done with the needles.  I dunno.  I am thinking about trying DGL needles next.  The DGK and DEK are too rich on the bottom.

BG

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sounds almost identical to my jetting

mine idles forever...

[locogato11283]

just wondering

 

have you tried

a 60 pilot, dek 5th clip and like a 145 main

 

i dont see how your bike wouldnt like the setup that mine does being that same builder.

 

but i dont know.

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well my passin motor was jetted at 162 mains and 45 pilots...thats a far cry from urs wes...but then again mine was no beast like urs and i dont know how to jet my bikes

[BansheeGuy_IV]

Hey guys...

 

It's all but dialed in now. Looks like 160 mains are the ticket with the CEL needles. About the only thing that I might want to try are CEM needles. My lowend doesn't need to be as rich as some of you guys.

 

All the funky bogging and everything is gone. It just took a little bit of tuning. Actually these ended up being easier to tune than my Mikuni carbs.

 

The engine runs great. The airstrykers were a nice upgrade. It pulls a bit further on top now than before, with smoother delivery.

 

I am 100% pleased with the work Jim did. I am as much pleased now as I was a year ago when it was first completed.

 

He's a heck of a guy and a heck of a good builder. I make it a point to send as much of my business his way as I can, not only because he has great service and quality performance, but because he's a heck of a nice guy. ;-)

 

BG

[wesw]

well my passin motor was jetted at 162 mains and 45 pilots...thats a far cry from urs wes...but then again mine was no beast like urs and i dont know how to jet my bikes

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if i remember right you had some funky needle, cause d34 got it to run after buying them off you.

 

it makes all the difference with my ceg needles it ran like crap at first, started tuning and testing needles out. got it more smoother and runs like a top now

 

its all good now, you have your setup, i have mine.

 

also you can get most needles from sudco.com

Edited October 17, 2005 by wesw

[locogato11283]

if i remember right you had some funky needle, cause d34 got it to run after buying them off you.

 

it makes all the difference with my ceg needles it ran like crap at first, started tuning and testing needles out. got it more smoother and runs like a top now

 

its all good now, you have your setup, i have mine.

 

also you can get most needles from sudco.com

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true...might check www.proflo.com for needles as well..i have ordered shit from them as well as sudco...

[BansheeGuy_IV]

Hey guys,

 

The the poster looking for needles. I get all mine from Sudco.com. Pro-flo is good, but they don't quite have the stock that SUDCO has.

 

You can find a nice chart on SUDCO's online catalog section. It'll tell you about the needles, what each letter means... From rich to lean.

 

Take care,

 

BG

[23champ]

On my passion motor I ran 50 pilots, 145 mains, and CEK needles.

This was on a 4mm 12 port drag. This was after many hrs of trail and error. Seemed to work out well for me.

[blueshee03]

i like my airstrykers .took longer to tune but they work great