Brindley Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 I have nitrous kits for sale? lots of diff applications and amazing hp gains at competitive prices... Quote
krazy_sw Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 what brand are they and are the wet kits or dry kits well how much would you let one go for Quote
shortys racing Posted January 13, 2004 Report Posted January 13, 2004 what brand are they and are the wet kits or dry kits well how much would you let one go for I sell modified dry systems for alky and gas for $1,000 installed (banshee) Quote
Brindley Posted January 14, 2004 Author Report Posted January 14, 2004 the kit is a cold fusion kit it is a wet kit i can also get dry kits but you get much more power out of a wet kit and is very dependable if set up right. starting out prices for both single and twins are: a single cylinder $450 twin cylinder $599. thanks Quote
raxen Posted January 14, 2004 Report Posted January 14, 2004 Cold Fusion kits are on ebay about twice a week for 389.95 plus shipping. Two cylinder wet setup with tank, lines. It is complete. Damn if a little quad kit costs 599 from you then people better not ask about kits for the daily drivers from you. You can buy a NOS kits directly from Jeg's or Summit cheaper than dealing with you. A grand to sell and install the a dry nitrous system on a banshee. Piss, I could find any elementary school student that can read and turn a wrench to install that in a matter of a day. People in this forum, take your lemonade stand down to DildosR'Us. Quote
Nightrider Posted January 14, 2004 Report Posted January 14, 2004 Amen to that RAXEN,1000 bucks is ridiculous.Even if you pieced it together,it wouldn't come close to that.Sorry to knock you Shorty,but thats "high rent" if you ask me Solenoids are about 80-90 a piece Braided steel line 50 Bottle 180(thats high) fuel pump 70 misc microswitchs 75 80+80=160+50=210+70=280+180=460+75=535 Quote
shortys racing Posted January 14, 2004 Report Posted January 14, 2004 Amen to that RAXEN,1000 bucks is ridiculous.Even if you pieced it together,it wouldn't come close to that.Sorry to knock you Shorty,but thats "high rent" if you ask me Solenoids are about 80-90 a piece Braided steel line 50 Bottle 180(thats high) fuel pump 70 misc microswitchs 75 80+80=160+50=210+70=280+180=460+75=535 you are quoting a wet system not a dry. Dry has about the same capability as a wet system on a 2 stroke. The amount of the kit is mostly the manafold blocks... Dry system advantages are.... automaticly compensates for altitude & bottle pressure as well as outside temp. It has a veriable injection rate that duplicates your engine demand. No jets to change. Works on alcohol and gas. When running alcohol, you do not need to inject gas as the enrichment fuel. This system is also more consitent then a wet system (perfect for bracket racing). Yes, a wet system does make more power, but both make more then a banshee can handle at this point. I run a dry system on a 10mm stock cylindered motor and have no problems after 6 months.....lot of runs in 6 months. Also runs in the low 4's in the 100 yards with the 2nd to lowest setting so far........ Quote
raxen Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 You are trying to pump that kit up a little don't you think. Let us pretend that your kit without the "SPECIAL" manifold cost you a retail of 500 bucks ( In all reality you probably pay 320 or less). How can you justify 500 dollars on a manifold, given it can produce about the 30-35HP limit on a banshee engine from nitrous just as its wet brother. You need to adjust your price or your never going to sell that crap on a market with 300-500 dollar competition. We could start a poll if you want? It could be your focused consumer research group. You do have a good point. If the dry kit can put out as much power as the wet kit on a banshee why would someone pay you 1000 when they can pay 500? Are your fuels solenoids actually capable of running gasoline and alcohol or do you run it that way in disregard to the manufacturers suggested usage? How much is the manifold would someone want to purchase it alone? What is its construction material? How is the variable injection controlled? Post a pic of the kit. Solenoids used and oriface sizes? What style plumbing does that kit come with? Many people are getting cheap these days like NX Express and giving high pressure, highly flexible lines plastic like lines with their kits. Yours are stainless braided right? How much for the kit without installation? You need to be more informative. I am not trying to pick but 1000 for a nitrous kit is the highest price that I have heard of for a banshee. Quote
Nightrider Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 I'm willing to bet the blocks are machined from aluminum,that the only way to justify the cost,or some of it.Especially if there is a plenum divider of some sort in the intakes. Post some pic,I'm interested to see it.My only concern would be reliability,I like the wet systems for the simple fact fuel is added.In a dry sys.If its jetted too high,it may run poorly off the bottle Quote
sandman121383 Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 wow,seems a bit ridiculous to me as well. i hope u know they're not being smart asses but they are people out there who really know their stuff. maybe for someone who has $ to throw away and doesn't want the hassle of installing it then maybe thats for them, but not for most of us and certainly not me. besdies all that jazz i don't drag. some day i plan on building a duner and might consider some nitrous but for now i'm all throttle and no bottle! Quote
Brindley Posted January 15, 2004 Author Report Posted January 15, 2004 before knocking on my kit and assuming- because assuming makes both you and me look like assholes- and comparing it to other kits out there on the market maybe you need to ask me what my kit actually comes with! Quote
Brindley Posted January 15, 2004 Author Report Posted January 15, 2004 by the way go visit www.boondockers.com and check out the prices there...also pay attention that it is a dry system and if you look at their dyno's you can only get at the most 22 hp gain....why spend that kind of money for only that much horsepower--- my kits are adjustable from 10-100 hp Quote
shortys racing Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 by the way go visit www.boondockers.com and check out the prices there...also pay attention that it is a dry system and if you look at their dyno's you can only get at the most 22 hp gain....why spend that kind of money for only that much horsepower--- my kits are adjustable from 10-100 hp don't get me wrong...I'm not knocking your kit...it prob. works fine. I was just throwing out another option. The 22hp you are speaking of is NOT my system, also that was a gas system with one filter not two. Also if you look closer the price on Boonedockers is $695.00 with only 1 manifold....$195 for another manifold unless your gonna run a 250R.....($890 + shipping by my calc.) thats not installed, no battery, & no micro switch either Quote
shortys racing Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 You are trying to pump that kit up a little don't you think. Let us pretend that your kit without the "SPECIAL" manifold cost you a retail of 500 bucks ( In all reality you probably pay 320 or less). How can you justify 500 dollars on a manifold, given it can produce about the 30-35HP limit on a banshee engine from nitrous just as its wet brother. You need to adjust your price or your never going to sell that crap on a market with 300-500 dollar competition. We could start a poll if you want? It could be your focused consumer research group. You do have a good point. If the dry kit can put out as much power as the wet kit on a banshee why would someone pay you 1000 when they can pay 500? Are your fuels solenoids actually capable of running gasoline and alcohol or do you run it that way in disregard to the manufacturers suggested usage? How much is the manifold would someone want to purchase it alone? What is its construction material? How is the variable injection controlled? Post a pic of the kit. Solenoids used and oriface sizes? What style plumbing does that kit come with? Many people are getting cheap these days like NX Express and giving high pressure, highly flexible lines plastic like lines with their kits. Yours are stainless braided right? How much for the kit without installation? You need to be more informative. I am not trying to pick but 1000 for a nitrous kit is the highest price that I have heard of for a banshee. that 35 you meantioned is per cylinder....and who knows what it can produce at this point? I can still get more with some more mods. We modified this system to work with alcohol. The blocks are billit aluminum. Braided line, same silenoid you guys run with a wet system. NO PURGING the system after alcohol use, no need to. If you guys want to put a wet system on a 4 stroke then thats cool, but when it comes to a 2 stroke it's a whole different ball game. Not many motors on a wet system that I know of live because of the people jetting them. Thats why Dry is a better choice, less to jet, more user friendly. Includes: Micro switches, thumb switch. 2 adj. alum. NOS blocks, small compact battery, plumbing, bottle, silenoid. I charge $200 to install it and set it up. Lifetime tech support. Since K&T and I are the only ones running this system on alcohol then I guess you wouldn't get any info from many people. I get it jetted in in 10 min. max. Can you do that with a wet system? I'm not throwing out a sales pitch here, I'm just telling you what I have been using. i don't have to sell any, thats fine. I'll keep running my high dollar crap and you can keep running your wet. If wets are so good then why do you see more dry now days???? Give me some times or hp dyno numbers from any 2-stroke you know on a wet system.....700cc's and below. Just cause it says a 100hp doesn't always mean it puts that out of it!!!!! just a comparing apples to apples.....NX wet system $713.00 (no install, micro switch, or battery, racer price) so they are not that far apart in price. Quote
raxen Posted January 15, 2004 Report Posted January 15, 2004 I don't see more dry these days...on two strokes or four strokes. Especially in drag racing when I am out. I race mostly motorcycles at the local tracks these days and have seen a few older two stroke superbikes with nitrous. One a 500 cc Suzuki Gamma from back in the day and the other was a 700+ cc with no distinctive markings, he said it was a Suzuki also but didn't look like any I have seen. The Gamma had a wet kit and was a missle. I will see the owner in a few weeks and will ask him then for a copy of his dyno chart (w and w/o smoothing, Nitrous and No-Nitrous). Remember I am not questioning the quality or output of the dry system that you sell but the value. You have already addressed the quality and output issue without much influence from me. It is understood that there is no need to purge the system after running alcohol but what type of carb are you running to allow gas/alky with no adjustments? That is what I was trying to hint around to earlier but my brain wondered. Just keep in mind from our perspective, you've got a dry system with a modified manifold. I am sure that most of us think that your markup is a little steep. What is the real price? The price you would give HQ members because you like them and see this forum as a great source of revenue via seeing a larger quantity at a reduced price. I am sure you will become a valueable asset to the HQ community and more people will like you after you cut a small break for people. Speaking from past experience from my motorcycle experience. You would have to find a complete goon to let you install a dry system for 200. A more reasonable fee is 120 around this area for wet, dry is considerably less. That price is what I charged a guy a week before Christmas for an wet installation on a 4-stroke four cylinder motorcycle. Quote
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