Trinity Pipes

[SLORYDER]

ok, ok, i'll answer. basically what i'm sayin is that we don't know how the dyno is loading the engine down, and how much difference that makes at different rpms......for example, a torque converter will put more load through at higher rpms, than lower, meaning that lower rpm's will be able to climb faster with less power than higher rpm's......so showing a 1 second peak at 7-8k might look different than it pullung 3 seconds from 8500-9500.....not that that's what exactly hppened, but it can vary a bit, if you think about it.....that's why i like rpm graphs showing tq......i can get a better feel of what it would do in the feild...

as for the trinity power range....it's still significantly higher and more coneiled than the pro-circuits....what it would feel like is coming on like a light switch at a mid-high rpm, then pull flat for a little, and fall right off like a switch. the t-5's can be tuned that way, but can also be made to come on smooth and in the mid, which is more real-life freindly......aside frfrom having more efficiencey. that is another thing that appears to be kinda low on the trinity

 

Man I just think you're looking at this wrong buddy.

I think he time based graph is a really good way to measure acceleration.

 

Like I said earlier

 

You have 2 banshees. Both have the exact same gearin, tires, weight, ect.

 

Now this scenario can start with one bike at 4,000 rpm and the other starting at 6,000 rpm, it doesn't matter.

 

If you brought both bikes up to speed, in 6th gear and you pinned them both, each at it's respective rpm where it "gets on the pipe" the sole determining factor in which bike would finish ahead, is the AVERAGE HORSEPOWER that it can effectively put to the ground.

 

If bike "A" has a power curve in the shape of, say the dynoport pipe in snop's post, and makes 55 horsepowerbut the curve is very steep on both sides, then the run stated above may give him 30 average horsepower.

 

Bike "B", on the other hand has a trinity pipe but only peaks at say 50 hp (which is 5 less obviously), but throughout the run puts down an average of 40 horsepower.

Which one will win?

 

Which one will be more desirable in 8/10 situations?

Now you must consider that the banshee engine has a close ration tranny and can get away with a peakier pipe, but in every situation, and including to an extent a drag race scenario, the pipe with the wider curve will be more desirable.

 

Like I said earlier the time based graph is a realistic depiction of how a pipe will perform in the real world.

 

 

Horsepower=acceleration

 

average horsepower=average acceleration

Edited May 11, 2010 by SLORYDER

[AKheathen]

Man I just think you're looking at this wrong buddy.

I think he time based graph is a really good way to measure acceleration.

 

Like I said earlier

 

You have 2 banshees. Both have the exact same gearin, tires, weight, ect.

 

Now this scenario can start with one bike at 4,000 rpm and the other starting at 6,000 rpm, it doesn't matter.

 

If you brought both bikes up to speed, in 6th gear and you pinned them both, each at it's respective rpm where it "gets on the pipe" the sole determining factor in which bike would finish ahead, is the AVERAGE HORSEPOWER that it can effectively put to the ground.

 

If bike "A" has a power curve in the shape of, say the dynoport pipe in snop's post, and makes 55 horsepowerbut the curve is very steep on both sides, then the run stated above may give him 30 average horsepower.

 

Bike "B", on the other hand has a trinity pipe but only peaks at say 50 hp (which is 5 less obviously), but throughout the run puts down an average of 40 horsepower.

Which one will win?

 

Which one will be more desirable in 8/10 situations?

Now you must consider that the banshee engine has a close ration tranny and can get away with a peakier pipe, but in every situation, and including to an extent a drag race scenario, the pipe with the wider curve will be more desirable.

 

Like I said earlier the time based graph is a realistic depiction of how a pipe will perform in the real world.

 

 

Horsepower=acceleration

 

average horsepower=average acceleration

well, ok, i am still confused as hell as to what the real questions are here........you wanna know what will win in a drag race? what the pipe falls in as for category? how much power it puts out? what graph shows the pipe's power better, or what shows it's accelleration? what kind of pipe is pro-circuit? what...be plain. all i can say is that hp may be how much work the engine is doing, but tq is what you feel, what you use, and what actually makes the hp in the first place. think about a 230hp deisel pullin 350hp v8 by 2seconds, and ponder why

[SLORYDER]

well, ok, i am still confused as hell as to what the real questions are here........you wanna know what will win in a drag race? what the pipe falls in as for category? how much power it puts out? what graph shows the pipe's power better, or what shows it's accelleration? what kind of pipe is pro-circuit? what...be plain. all i can say is that hp may be how much work the engine is doing, but tq is what you feel, what you use, and what actually makes the hp in the first place. think about a 230hp deisel pullin 350hp v8 by 2seconds, and ponder why

 

 

I just wanted to prove that the trinities are as good or better than the pro circuits IN A DRAG and i have done that I believe.

 

And of course the deisel won because he put down more average horsepower.

Yeah torque is part of the equation, but tq is nothing in a race without rpm.

In the end the horsepower figure is the deciding factor in a race.

Edited May 11, 2010 by SLORYDER

[AKheathen]

um, no.....the deisel won because he put out 400ft/lbs of tq vs. like 160..........and deisels don't have a big wide band......the gaser could be running a high average from 3-7k, as the deisel is only pullin 2-3.5k, but keepin it in that area. on the inverse...if you have an average of 40, as you say, on motor a, and an average of 30 on a peaky motor, but the peaky motor is makin 5 more in the peak, then it can win by keeping the power there, since races are not based on a single gear pull.......of coarse, shift time plays a role and other bs.......oh, and you origionally said that pc's would make an awesome drag pipe, lol...so which is it? boy, this seems real familiar........like this one time, everyone was trying to drill how important the transfers are when porting...............and it was just as much an entailed intercession

[SLORYDER]

HAHAAAA BOOY!

You just can't admit you're wrong, huh? You're bouncing all around the real point!

 

The bike that makes the 40 average as opposed to the 30 can gear higherand use all that power.

 

I'd take a wide powerband pipe any day over the narrow peaky one.

 

And yes. The only reason the deisel won is because it was able to put more horsepower down: from the time the race started to the time the race ended

 

Torque determines how big a wheel can be turned.

Horsepower determines how fast they turn.

[Snopczynski]

I will make this simple for you. Ak is right about the trinity pipes having a narrow power band and turning on/off like a light switch.

 

Sloryder, if you have two bikes drag racing each other and one has trinity pipes on it, the other has pro circuits. I should hope to god the one with the trinity pipes will win. Because no one in their right fucking mind should put pro circuits on a drag bike or a mid-top motor. Which is what a bike with trinity pipes should be built towards.

 

[SLORYDER]

I will make this simple for you. Ak is right about the trinity pipes having a narrow power band and turning on/off like a light switch.

 

Sloryder, if you have two bikes drag racing each other and one has trinity pipes on it, the other has pro circuits. I should hope to god the one with the trinity pipes will win. Because no one in their right fucking mind should put pro circuits on a drag bike or a mid-top motor. Which is what a bike with trinity pipes should be built towards.

 

 

How can you tell me, after posting those dyno runs that the trinity pipe has a narrow powerband?

 

And how can you tell me, after telling the op that the trinity pipes suck and that bike will lose, that a bike with trinity pipes will win?

You told that man to bet a large pizza! Them thangs are expensive!!!

 

 

#dit: BTW, I do not have a whole lot of experience with pipes but I have owned an ran both the pro circuits and the trinitiy pipes

Edited May 11, 2010 by SLORYDER

[Snopczynski]

How can you tell me, after posting those dyno runs that the trinity pipe has a narrow powerband?

 

Because I know hot to translate a dyno sheet, and you obviously dont. If you did, you would notice the decreased acceleration time, the non-existent torque backup, and the anemic concave shaped power curve when comparing to the pro circuit chart.

 

He will win because like I said the trinity has a narrow power band. He was racing a guy with an mx port, which realistically by standard "mx port" terms means he has coupled a shitty mid-top pipe (trinity) with a port duration setup that would call for the pro circuits. Not to mention the huge carburetors on the guys bike thus slowing his intake velocity and making it even worse. So by putting a mid-top pipe on a duration setup for low-mid, he has effectively chopped his power window down thus creating a very pipey and even more narrow power band. My bet is if he races him in a 100 yard drag race, the guy with pc's will take him off the line as his setup is tailored well to his pipes, then the guy with the trinity pipes will slowly creep on him to the end once he could get into his power range.I seriously Doubt he would catch him though. It almost makes me think his buddy is you trying to race him.

[SLORYDER]

Because I know hot to translate a dyno sheet, and you obviously dont. If you did, you would notice the decreased acceleration time, the non-existent torque backup, and the anemic concave shaped power curve when comparing to the pro circuit chart.

The Trinity pipe made more hp over a much much greater range than the other pipe. You are on crack if you say the other pipe has a more desirable power curve.

 

 

 

He will win because like I said the trinity has a narrow power band. He was racing a guy with an mx port, which realistically by standard "mx port" terms means he has coupled a shitty mid-top pipe (trinity) with a port duration setup that would call for the pro circuits. Not to mention the huge carburetors on the guys bike thus slowing his intake velocity and making it even worse. So by putting a mid-top pipe on a duration setup for low-mid, he has effectively chopped his power window down thus creating a very pipey and even more narrow power band. My bet is if he races him in a 100 yard drag race, the guy with pc's will take him off the line as his setup is tailored well to his pipes, then the guy with the trinity pipes will slowly creep on him to the end once he could get into his power range.I seriously Doubt he would catch him though. It almost makes me think his buddy is you trying to race him.

 

How long did it take you to come up with this garbage?

 

Intake velocity. C'mon, like that matters in a drag race.

And an MX port job could very likely be in the vicinity of your bikes setup-180/ 120ish

Yeah the transfers may be a bit more, but I doubt it, again, can't say for sure because I don't know who did the porting. Either way, I'd say the bike with the trinity pipes has a good chance.

 

My MAIN problem is that you are quick to call something "shitty" of "lousy" when the fact of the matter is to someone else it might be just what they wanted.

I think generally your opinion is like your attitude- it stinks

Edited May 11, 2010 by SLORYDER

[Snopczynski]

Whats the stock exhaust duration on a banshee?

[SLORYDER]

I meant 188 guy. (Setup like yours)

 

[Snopczynski]

[SLORYDER]

 

[Snopczynski]

Yeah, you tried your best.

[dajogejr]

So....

I shouldn't put Trinity or Pro Circuits on my drag bike? Damn it...cancel that order.