NickisGod Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 alright so theres a million threds on this forum about these clutches, but ive yet to discover my own question about these setups. i want to know what are these clutches? are the even clutches at all? at first glance i sound like a idiot. my conclusion is when you install a lock up clutch your basicaly just replacing the outside pressure plate, and you still need the inner plates that fit into the basket like any other machine. maybe im making this alot more complicated than it really is or maybe it is above my head. so i wanna know what parts exactly get scraped when you install this setup and witch parts remain the same? Quote
KaosBanshee44 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 Your thinking it's a clutch itself and it isn't. Read the paragraph below it's straight from Direct Drives website and will answer your questions. A lockout is designed to do two things, (1) eliminate excessive clutch slippage to facilitate the transfer of as much horsepower to the rear tires as possible and (2) make the bike quicker. Many people install a lockout only for the purpose of keeping the clutch from slipping, but if you are willing to do some experimenting with spring pressure and lockout weight, in many instances you can make the bike quicker. There are many different rider,engine,bike and weight combinations, do what works best for your specific setup and not what the current lucky guy setup is. His setup may be completely wrong for your bike .Best case scenario is to Set your clutch up to work as a 2 stage clutch, some slippage out of the hole then Lockup the clutch as early as possible. The spring pressure regulates how hard that the bike leaves from the start. If the spring pressure is to stiff it can cause excessive tire spin. If the springs are to soft it can cause excessive clutch slippage. By setting up your clutch to have a small amount of slippage off the line you will keep the rpm Quote
00tbanshee Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 alright so theres a million threds on this forum about these clutches, but ive yet to discover my own question about these setups. i want to know what are these clutches? are the even clutches at all? at first glance i sound like a idiot. my conclusion is when you install a lock up clutch your basicaly just replacing the outside pressure plate, and you still need the inner plates that fit into the basket like any other machine. maybe im making this alot more complicated than it really is or maybe it is above my head. so i wanna know what parts exactly get scraped when you install this setup and witch parts remain the same? some of them bolt right on your outer pressure plate and ones like the under stock cover "slingshot"which i run, takes place of your pressure plate.all the lockup does is put pressure against your clutch to cause it not to slip.the faster it spins the more pressure is aplied Quote
KEVSWS6 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 I love my Sling Shot and it works great with my override trans. I have both in stock if interested. Quote
NickisGod Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 wow... so what would average joe such as myself want? sling shot or lockup? i was headed in the lockup direction unless someone tells me other wise. so explain one more time, the lockup will dosnt replace pressure plate? Quote
KaosBanshee44 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 No the lockup bolts directly on top here is mine the knubs you see around the pressure plate move freely until the motor is started then they apply pressure to your plate to decrese slippage. You would have to modify your stock clutch cover or get a beefed up nice one like mine if you wanna run the direct drive lockup Quote
00tbanshee Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 the slingshot is also a lockup but its just nice cause you can get it to go under your stock side cover with just alittle cutting Quote
KaosBanshee44 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 the slingshot is also a lockup but its just nice cause you can get it to go under your stock side cover with just alittle cutting don't you cut the nubs on the inside of the clutch cover....the nubs are for the bolts that bolt your clutch cover insert to? then use silicone to seal up the hole? I can't remember if i heard that or not Quote
NickisGod Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Posted October 2, 2008 the point of me asking is because my clutch is riding on its last days and i need to start thinking of replacing it. the lockup clutch idea just came up because they are pretty fancy looking and are said to be more durable. now that i got some insight, im pretty sure a lockup isnt the cure to my clutch problem. so i will need to replace my clutch regaurdless, right? and if i wanna go xtream then i buy the lockup assmelby. Quote
J-Madd Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 the point of me asking is because my clutch is riding on its last days and i need to start thinking of replacing it. the lockup clutch idea just came up because they are pretty fancy looking and are said to be more durable. now that i got some insight, im pretty sure a lockup isnt the cure to my clutch problem. so i will need to replace my clutch regaurdless, right? and if i wanna go xtream then i buy the lockup assmelby. Just replace your clutch. Doesn't sound like you need a lockup. Unless you have 80+ hp you don't have to have it. Quote
J-Madd Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 don't you cut the nubs on the inside of the clutch cover....the nubs are for the bolts that bolt your clutch cover insert to? then use silicone to seal up the hole? I can't remember if i heard that or not That is correct. Quote
STINKYDELUXE Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 adding weight causes more slip or less slip? what do you use for weight? Quote
KaosBanshee44 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 the point of me asking is because my clutch is riding on its last days and i need to start thinking of replacing it. the lockup clutch idea just came up because they are pretty fancy looking and are said to be more durable. now that i got some insight, im pretty sure a lockup isnt the cure to my clutch problem. so i will need to replace my clutch regaurdless, right? and if i wanna go xtream then i buy the lockup assmelby. Call Jeff at FAST he's got a awesome clutch kit! There are a few members on here that say there golden. I'm about to use one myself Quote
dajogejr Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 A few things....unless you're running 75 to 80 HP or more (as said) you don't need one. Get stiffer springs and an EZ pull lever. 2, don't put a lockup on a bike without an override tranny... Trying to shift a lockup at peak RPMs and pull your clutch in...forget it. Too much force. With an override, you click gears with out pulling the clutch in. I used and abused Jeff's clutch for 3 years plus...it is stout, period. Call Jeff @ FAST...his clutch is very, very worth it.... Quote
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