Bansheenate

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Ya it's Friday night,but I will post pics tomorrow.

It was Leonard I think.tricked carbine I know it's not your first rodeo.doing the triple exhaust port job was a nightmare.I don't work on bikes for a living,but I like to push myself to keep building faster shit.Im not one of those dremel tool hacks. I use cc specialties like you probably do along with most race shops. I've seen trinity stage 4 port jobs. Dean Sundahl. Alba racing. Along with garage guys like myself. I got the idea while reading about RDZ making triple exhaust ports before cheetah and Cubs even existed.racers machine who did my bore job after the welding warped my sleeves was impressed by my work.yes I have jetted many bikes in the past. Probably not nearly as many as you. You probably work for some race shop in Michigan where you guys have a local drag strip in town.just don't want to be talked down to when I do know some shit.you kinda tried to put me on blast right off the bat. That's why I got a little defensive.thats all.

He wasn't a parts jockey. Duncan racing is a proven shop.I shouldn't have asked for advise.I should have just asked to buy the jets. But most race shops will start asking you a bunch of questions wanting to know what you are gonna do with them. You know the rest.I would never bad mouth them.I was telling him about my idle problem and he said it might be some other problem which made me second guess my work.oh well that's over and done with.I would listen to you guys if you had something positive to talk about. All you guys do is troll around and bash each other from what I've seen so far.you guys are like a pack of wolves lol.as soon as someone posts something it's attack time.you would have thought I posted something like set your idle with the throttle cable or run a pro design boost bottle.

Also I was gonna stop at Duncan to purchase a bunch of pilot jets before heading out to the desert and he talked me out of it saying the 58 should be fine. That's why I dropped the needle out there cause it was bogging off of idle. Sorry I didn't mean to say launch. I had no pilot jets to fuck with. And I only made that one short pass when the bike wouldn't idle down but would idle. I put the bike away and drank beer the rest of the trip. I know when not to push it.i then knew I had to go home and buy a bunch of pilots. That's how I got to the beginning of this crazy ass post in the first place. Lol

Look,I have told the truth from the beginning.I have had these carbs since I bought my bike used in 1995.it had a mild port job and toomies with clamp on k&n's.those 58 pilots worked with every motor change I did. Even when I had a big bore 420.and all the bikes I have worked on had port jobs from many different builders. Some were Dean Sundahl and some no names.at our altitude they all used 58 pilots. Even the Alba racing banshees.when you build something you have never done before it kinda fucks with your head.I did a leakdown test obviously.I knew that stockers with pipes were usually around s 150 main.very mild port jobs would like 155. Drag ported without triple exhaust ports wanted 162.and my 420 big bore loved 172 main.So I had an idea of where I was gonna start with my main jet on this new motor. I was surprised that it wanted a 160. I started at 168 to be safe and worked my way down. The pilot is what got me trippin.so I thought it was interesting on how while trying to get it to idle,the clip position made it idle all of the sudden when for years everyone said it could never happen. My neighbors hate drag pipes of course and I'm waiting on some 38 and 40 pilots to come in the mail. I will let you know when I get it 7-1/2 to 8turns out.thats why I don't fuck with it every day. I don't have a race shop in a industrial area where I can fire a loud ass drag motor with stinger tips every 5 minutes.

Look,I have told the truth from the beginning.I have had these carbs since I bought my bike used in 1995.it had a mild port job and toomies with clamp on k&n's.those 58 pilots worked with every motor change I did. Even when I had a big bore 420.and all the bikes I have worked on had port jobs from many different builders. Some were Dean Sundahl and some no names.at our altitude they all used 58 pilots. Even the Alba racing banshees.when you build something you have never done before it kinda fucks with your head.I did a leakdown test obviously.I knew that stockers with pipes were usually around s 150 main.very mild port jobs would like 155. Drag ported without triple exhaust ports wanted 162.and my 420 big bore loved 172 main.So I had an idea of where I was gonna start with my main jet on this new motor. I was surprised that it wanted a 160. I started at 168 to be safe and worked my way down. The pilot is what got me trippin.so I thought it was interesting on how while trying to get it to idle,the clip position made it idle all of the sudden when for years everyone said it could never happen. My neighbors hate drag pipes of course and I'm waiting on some 38 and 40 pilots to come in the mail. I will let you know when I get it 7-1/2 to 8turns out.thats why I don't fuck with it every day. I don't have a race shop in a industrial area where I can fire a loud ass drag motor with stinger tips every 5 minutes.

As I said before it will affect it if your pilot is way too fat and you lean out the needle all the way down and it will idle. It has to be what I stated before.small amount of fuel must sneak past the bottom of the slide at idle.with the needle in the middle clip it wouldn't idle for the life of me. I swear.

It's funny. I don't know why this site even exists when you try something and nobody believes you anyways.this actually just recently happened to me while jetting my bike.its funny how nobody will take the time to try it with a pair of pj's and see for themselves.using the needle to make it idle would make you too lean at the range the clip position effects.most banshees in California at sea level with pipes,mild or drag porting like a58 pilot. That's why I started with that after building my triple exhaust port motor that had the same port job I've done on other bikes without the triple ports.i figured that was gonna be close.but I was wrong. That's what made me think it was other problems than a simple jetting problem. So again try it if you own a pj carbed banshee and you will see for yourself.

Take a banshee with pj carbs. Put a few sizes too large of a pilot jet. Try to use the choke knobs to set idle. When it won't idle. Drop the needle all the way. When you get it to idle write back again. That chart is correct.as I quoted before. You can use this method to find out how rich you are on the pilot with pj carbs.you don't use it to make it idle for the duration. You lower the pilot until you hit the sweet spot that tricked carbine was talking about. 7-1/2 to 8 turns out.so technically the clip will effect idle if your jetting is way off like mine was. Thanks

Take a banshee with pj carbs. Put a few sizes too large of a pilot jet. Try to use the choke knobs to set idle. When it won't idle. Drop the needle all the way. When you get it to idle write back again. That chart is correct.as I quoted before. You can use this method to find out how rich you are on the pilot with pj carbs.you don't use it to make it idle for the duration. You lower the pilot until you hit the sweet spot that tricked carbine was talking about. 7-1/2 to 8 turns out.so technically the clip will effect idle if your jetting is way off like mine was. Thanks

First of all I wouldn't listen to anyone with a stupid username called suxdixx.secondly I created this post which had no misguided info as you call it. I was simply stating a situation that I had with pj carbs. When the slide is all the way down at an idle situation,there is no rubber gasket stopping a very small amount of fuel from sneaking past the slide coming from the main jet/needle.the needle just drops down into a hole that has gas in a float bowl.so when my 58 pilot was to fat in conjunction with a slight amount of fuel sneaking past the very bottom of the slide, which is vibrating while the engine is running. Dropping the needle plugs that hole even more so than when before,thus slowing the amount of fuel getting past the slide which leaned out my too large of a pilot situation. If a pwk and most stock carbs idle is set by raising the slide ever so slightly. Just like the idle knobs on a TORS system raise the slide on a stock banshee. This is the same effect. You really think fuel can't sneak past the fucking slide that is vibrating while the motor is pulling air as hard as it can?hell,when your float bowl gasket is even slightly crushed or worn out,fuel will run right past that dam gasket even when the petcock is shut and just the fuel inside your float is all the pressure it has.the needle can act like a power jet does to a main jet when running alcohol.it does it to the pilot jet instead.With the 58 pilot,my motor would only idle at the top clip. When I lower the pilot and got closer to 42,it would idle on the 4th clip.so as you lean your pilot,you are able to put the needle to a richer setting.you guys act like the dam carb is a sealed frickin unit and that the dam needle just stops all fuel flow from the main.last time I checked the needle isn't the same size of the dump tube. It just blocks 90% until it starts to rise. Remember,it doesn't have a rubber gasket like a float needle that stops fuel completely.overlapping circuits.

Tricked carbine. Explain this. since you know so much at not even 30yrs old.after I figured out my main jet size by being out in the sand with paddles and putting a load on my motor. Next I wanted to work on my pilot circuit. Unfortunately,I had no pilot jets with me at the time I was somewhere where I could put a load on the motor. So the bike wouldn't idle and had a bog at lower end whenever I tried to launch.so I dropped the needle one notch at a time to see what it would do. Once the clip was all the way at the top in its leanest position the bike idled but had trouble idling down after a quick pass. This is when I knew I needed to lower the pilot to get it to idle without running lean at mid throttle.so lowering the needle will affect idle which I proved while jetting the bike.now that I have the 42 pilot instead of a 58. I am able to put back the needle to the 2nd down from top.next I'm gonna put in a 40 pilot and I bet I will have the clip in the middle and I will have my low mid and top dialed.so explain to me again how the needle has no effect on idle on a pj carb?and no I don't need to be coddled by you.everything I have learned is by trial and errors. Yes I have blown a few motors learning over the years and I definitely have lots more to learn. But I can say that I have never had to have my bike built by someone else. Every race I have ever won in the dessert was from my own doing.and yes I would listen to someone as long as they don't have a cocky attitude. Young guys tend to speak before they think. I know I used to be just like you.

I am new to banshee hq.we are on this site because we are all into the same type of quad.you say your not trying to bash me,but you have a very negative way of expressing your points and views. I am well aware about the main jet not affecting the idle process.the needle,if lowered enough,will tell you if you are rich or lean on the pilot. The circuits overlap each other.just because you seem to think you have it all figured out,doesn't mean that other people don't want to know about what people have tried. Anyone who knows about jetting,knows that there are many factors involved. People just want a baseline to start with. Not everyone has a million dollars to spend on purchasing a bunch of jets,or a new pair of pwk carbs. In fact,the pj carbs might be outdated,but they force you to dial in your slow jet perfectly,if you want your bike to idle.I agree that I'm probably still a little rich on the pilot. Until I put a load on the motor with paddles I still won't be 100% sure. I was stoked that after starting at 58 and dropping one jet size at a time,all the way down to a 42,I was relieved that I was getting close. As you know,opening your dual carbs and changing jets can be tiresome. That's why most riders stay clear of jetting.I stated my main jet size just to put it out there. Maybe someone with Vito's stock bore jugs with triple exhaust ports might be looking for a baseline main jet size.I built my motor myself. Welded up the water jackets and ported my own triple exhaust ports.and no I did not weld up the entire water jacket area.thats probably what you would pick apart about my post. Anyways,this website should about helping people figure out problems,without having to go through the trials that guys like you and I have gone through the hard way.i am 39yrs old and wish that back in my younger days we had websites like this one to help you out with a problem you were struggling with. Remember that what seems easy for you,isn't easy for everyone.

It wasn't the choke/idle knobs alone that got it to idle. I did state how many turns out I put them. My post was about how perfect your slow jet needs to be,in order to get them to idle.when I had the 58 pilots in,it wouldn't idle no matter how far out you turned in or out the idle/choke knobs.on a pwk you can simply turn the idle screw in to raise the slide,and make it idle,even if you are running a little fat on your pilot jet. With pj carbs its not that easy.you make it sound like you simply adjust the choke knobs and it should idle fine. I have worked on many drag ported banshees with 58 pilots that idled no problem on pj carbs. This was my first experience with triple exhaust ports on a 350. I've heard other people post that the Cubs,which have triple exhaust ports also,don't like a lot of fuel down low.even Duncan racing suggested starting out with a 58 pilot.sorry if my post wasn't perfect enough for you to understand.it was mainly for people struggling with the same problem I had.

I used to have a trinity 420 big bore with drag pipes using 34pj carbs. 172 main. 58 pilot and cel needle middle clip. Ran and idled perfect. They stopped re-sleeving that motor.trinity told me it was outdated. So I built a small bore motor with triple exhaust ports and used same pipes with 17cc domes. Dynatech ignition. Race fuel and so on.i have had other banshees run same carbs without triple exhaust ports idle fine with a 58 pilot. I could not get my new motor to idle. I finally went down to 42 pilots with the cel needle one notch down from top. 1-1-2 turns out on the air screw and 160 mains.choke/idle adjust like 9turns out. For anyone out there trying to get their 34pjs to idle "don't give up". It took a lot of time and effort.just wanted to put that out there because I searched for help and saw a lot of people trying to help someone else,and they never told the outcome when finished. which doesn't help anyone. Thanks.

Try power pros racing exhaust in placentia ca.they did work for trinity I think.