I think I might give them a try being they are forged. Comparing them side by side to a Weisco ther are some things I like better. The locator pins are spaced further apart on Vitos so they actually ride on the cylinder wall. If you look at a Weisco in a cub cylinder you will see that on some, the ring gap touches nothing. I cant believe more guys dont hook rings. Skirts are thicker. Ports are in the right spot for a cub cylinder. Hopefully the skirts dont collapse as fast as Weiscos. The downside is they are heavier & unproven. They are going in a 7mm cub dune bike.