ok this is what i have found out it is not illegal to sell the title and vin tube of a totaled frame in many states! when you build a custom frame you need some way to have a title if you take a part off a totaled bike and put it on a custom hand made fram altered in some way from stock (streched) it becomes a buileder you need that old title to get a builder title or proof the bike is not stolen. this does not mean you can steal some ones nice new quad and patch in your vin #s. the frame has to be changed from stock apperance to be classifed as a custom builder. if you were a low life theif you still would have to worry about the case #s. it just sucks you have too worry about the cases you buy from people being stolen and the cops busting you for bs.