well i need some things id trade for a +2 or +4 swingarm +6 or +8 swingarm,cool head,billet parts,28mm carbs, stock port and bore cyls or???? let me know they clean up ok they would probly look better black but from a few feet they look good and if you take time to polish they clean up good heres pics theres 1 ding going on the pipe that would not hurt power and theres one where the motor mount rubbed on it but it wont hurt anything either they are good pipes iv ran them 3 seasons now