skywalker7374

I understand their differences, but it is not enough to say they are totally different from each other. They are still very similar to each other. I will just say this, a 770 with a +6 swinger should be a handful and a half if the motor is built to perform. 660 or 700 based it doesn't matter that is a lot of motor.

I actually personally have rode a 686 660 based raptor that stood straight up every time we launched the dam thing on a +6. We put a +10 on it for a reason. If its built right it should wheelie a lot with a +6, the banshee will be up in the air for sure.

I think this one comes down to the rider just for the fact that both of set ups only have +6 swingarms. They should both be kind of a handful. I lean more towards the Raptor also.

throw on some stock pipes, Im sure they have some good bottom end.

Honestly there is no money anywhere, our economic times would explain more then just peoples lack of interest in the sport.

Use a synthetic grease when you put it back on and see if that helps next time around.

Compression helps with the bottom end. Have the head milled or throw on a cool head of some sort.

carbon pistons?

Are they being used at all?

Hopefully the only thing that doesn't compare is the cost. Carbon pistons vurtually have no expansion and are lighter than the greens it takes to buy one. Not to get off topic, but did they ever perfect the carbon pistons zilla?

Funny you say that, I just e-mailed performance power materials about 2-stroke pistons in general.The return e-mail said,"they are exploring both the four stroke and two stroke markets". He is supposed to e-mail later this week hopefully conserning 2-stroke pistons.

It may take a while, but I don't see the performance industry staying with regular old aluminum forever. I hope our industry will take a step forward into technology advancements. I cross my fingers

Sorry I worded that wrong, torque is produced by the motor and inertia is stored energy from the rotation of motor weight. So yes still less inertia same or more torque possibly with for sure some gain in the upper Rs.

Same torque because torque is produced by the motor itself, but less rotating inertia. The plus side would be higher RPM power, with slightly less launching power. It does always seem that the pros go with the lighter is better concept. Almost all top fuel racers use aluminum or titanium rods. The lightness of Pandalloy is not really the big benefit of it. The tensile strength at high temperatures is the big advantage over regular aluminum. So we would benefit from leaner air to fuel ratios and make more power because of it. I would think this would be a huge benefit to the guys that run alky.

While I do agree that a lot of people get into banshees for the cheap speed, I also feel that we still have plenty people in the business with money to spare. The banshee is for sure not getting slower but going faster and faster. The new world records prove that. Speed = Money and R&D. As far as Pandalloy being up and coming for banshees, maybe. I think for sure in the future of 4-strokes, which we may all have to convert to one day. I hope not.

Just think if Pandalloy was a Banshee Hq sight sponsor, Tyler would be in here right now telling all you doubters how great and unreal their new found metal is. Sounds good anyways.

I'm surprised at how many people are doubting this new alloy, its simply a new more advanced aluminum. They don't claim anything crazy about the new alloy, just that its better than any aluminum before its time. Yeah I'm sure it will be expensive in its early years of production but so was regular aluminum, engineers and scientist will find a way to break the wall down and make it affordable to most. sleep06 that new coating sounds like another advancement up and coming that may help out the racing industry. Sounds great.

The big difference here I think is the fact that this Pandalloy is like a hybrid form of aluminum. Its not like its a whole new discovery, its a very improved version of aluminum. Just like aluminum I could see Wiseco, JE, CP etc etc ending up with this metal eventually. They already are on a 2nd generation of Pandalloy and make both forged and cast versions. Really its just a matter of time before it goes viral. Another plus is the company who came up with this hybrid aluminum wants it in everything not just the piston engine. Aluminum was first produced in 1825 and has been perfected every since, this is just an even more perfect form of its great great grandfather. Pandalloy is not from another planet nor a new discovery, but a revolution of an alloy we have had since 1825.

Me 2, lets all cross our fingers and hope a lot.

JMO

I think it will eventually be an industry standard just like aluminum is today. Just like TVs it will take a bit to get the price down but once it does it will be the standard. I honestly think it's our future.

I would imagine it will eventually, they are already on the path with making car pistons. Hopefully it will be affordable. Can you imagine a banshee with pistons, rods, and possibly a crank lighter than titanium.

You do realize that all aluminum no matter what grade, lose their tensile strength at just over 600 degrees F. Pandalloy still has 5000 psi worth of tensile strength at 900 degrees F. Although exhaust temps can be well over a 1000 degrees that doesn't mean the piston is that hot, if it was it would grenade the first 5 minutes you rode it. So yeah 900 degrees with a tensile of 5000 psi in the aluminum world is unheard of. Until now.

LMAO windy that is actually exactly what I thought when I ran into this info.

I don't know that this alloy has been talked about here on HQ or not so sorry in advance if it has.. The name of the alloy is Pandalloy, it took over 10 years to develop even with almost unlimited resources from our U.S Airforce. It was named after its creator Dr. Awadh Pandey from Pratt & Whitney. The specs and properties of this new alloy is just astonishing and will greatly benefit our desire to make the Banshee even faster than it already is. Here are some of the advantages -High strength at higher temps or higher thermal stability -lighter than titanium -does not need heat treating -is not a metal matrix composite -with its ability to run way hotter it will allow for leaner air to fuel mixtures and make more power while consuming less fuel. This metal was used on the Ford GT to set the current world record in the standing mile at 283 MPH, which blows all the old records away. So it is proven.. I stumbled across this amazing alloy and just wanted to share it with the Banshee community, as I know we all are looking for ways to go FASTER. Check it out WWW.PERFORMANCEPOWERMATERIALS.COM