SLORYDER

I've gotten the short end of the stick before, but I haven't gone on a public forum, started a topic bashing them and cussed them up and down before I even heard from them. That's just rude and irresponsible. Not saying he should be happy but it's not like they were out to get him.

I would be ticked off too. However what i wouldn't have done was pitch a fit from the get go like you did. It's said that what goes around comes around in my opinion that goes for bad feelings too. You probably don't want to hear it nor care but you might have better "luck" in the future if you try to stay positive and stop spewing filth whenever something doesn't go your way. Stuff happens

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The blue is stock. The dark red is with FMF Fatty's and K&N. The green is same as above with Vitos Super Stock pistons, Cool head with 22's, +4 degree key and Vforce reeds. The other red is with mild porting, 19's in the head and 28mm flatslides. He also dynoed a set of borrowed cpi's but didn't pick up anymore peak power. The peak just moved up in the rpm range 500. I have been told that is because the cpi's were wanting a LOT more carb? The cpi's did mellow out the dip ever so slightly. I would love to pull some more out of this combo.

Here is something you may find interesting The blue is stock. The dark red is with FMF Fatty's and K&N. The green is same as above with Vitos Super Stock pistons, Cool head with 22's, +4 degree key and Vforce reeds. The other red is with mild porting, 19's in the head and 28mm flatslides. I also dynoed a set of borrowed cpi's but didn't pick up anymore peak power. The peak just moved up in the rpm range 500. I have been told that is because the cpi's were wanting a LOT more carb? The cpi's did mellow out the dip ever so slightly. I would love to pull some more out of this combo.

Don't tell me that one went over your head

Either way I would make sure the rods are 115mm not 110mm. Last I checked Vitos cranks run the 110. RDZ has a good price $425 AND comes with a TZ bearing. Not sure if it's a 115 rod but if so that's who I'd go through.

Well dats you problem sha.. You need to get one that screws in

From what I gather the constant acceleration/ decelleration of a quad would probably render those useless Might help on a looong stretch though

I meant 188 guy. (Setup like yours)

The Trinity pipe made more hp over a much much greater range than the other pipe. You are on crack if you say the other pipe has a more desirable power curve. How long did it take you to come up with this garbage? Intake velocity. C'mon, like that matters in a drag race. And an MX port job could very likely be in the vicinity of your bikes setup-180/ 120ish Yeah the transfers may be a bit more, but I doubt it, again, can't say for sure because I don't know who did the porting. Either way, I'd say the bike with the trinity pipes has a good chance. My MAIN problem is that you are quick to call something "shitty" of "lousy" when the fact of the matter is to someone else it might be just what they wanted. I think generally your opinion is like your attitude- it stinks

How can you tell me, after posting those dyno runs that the trinity pipe has a narrow powerband? And how can you tell me, after telling the op that the trinity pipes suck and that bike will lose, that a bike with trinity pipes will win? You told that man to bet a large pizza! Them thangs are expensive!!! #dit: BTW, I do not have a whole lot of experience with pipes but I have owned an ran both the pro circuits and the trinitiy pipes

HAHAAAA BOOY! You just can't admit you're wrong, huh? You're bouncing all around the real point! The bike that makes the 40 average as opposed to the 30 can gear higherand use all that power. I'd take a wide powerband pipe any day over the narrow peaky one. And yes. The only reason the deisel won is because it was able to put more horsepower down: from the time the race started to the time the race ended Torque determines how big a wheel can be turned. Horsepower determines how fast they turn.

I just wanted to prove that the trinities are as good or better than the pro circuits IN A DRAG and i have done that I believe. And of course the deisel won because he put down more average horsepower. Yeah torque is part of the equation, but tq is nothing in a race without rpm. In the end the horsepower figure is the deciding factor in a race.

Man I just think you're looking at this wrong buddy. I think he time based graph is a really good way to measure acceleration. Like I said earlier You have 2 banshees. Both have the exact same gearin, tires, weight, ect. Now this scenario can start with one bike at 4,000 rpm and the other starting at 6,000 rpm, it doesn't matter. If you brought both bikes up to speed, in 6th gear and you pinned them both, each at it's respective rpm where it "gets on the pipe" the sole determining factor in which bike would finish ahead, is the AVERAGE HORSEPOWER that it can effectively put to the ground. If bike "A" has a power curve in the shape of, say the dynoport pipe in snop's post, and makes 55 horsepowerbut the curve is very steep on both sides, then the run stated above may give him 30 average horsepower. Bike "B", on the other hand has a trinity pipe but only peaks at say 50 hp (which is 5 less obviously), but throughout the run puts down an average of 40 horsepower. Which one will win? Which one will be more desirable in 8/10 situations? Now you must consider that the banshee engine has a close ration tranny and can get away with a peakier pipe, but in every situation, and including to an extent a drag race scenario, the pipe with the wider curve will be more desirable. Like I said earlier the time based graph is a realistic depiction of how a pipe will perform in the real world. Horsepower=acceleration average horsepower=average acceleration

No fool read my post # 29. Pertaining to the trinity power range

Dude the trinities have an awesome power spread. That would make them very desirable unless some was looking to build a drag engine. There is all this hype about the t5 but I think the trinity is better for that type of riding And unlike you I have nothing to prove

Prooooozac anyone? There you go with your low mid, mid lo hi low jargen. Most people considering trinity pipes have other pipes in mind. paul turner pro circuit toomey fmf lrd A NON DRAG PIPE Out of the pipes i just stated, I think the trinity or the pro circuit would be a good pipe for all around riding and would do good against the likes of non drag piped engines. You just got finished saying how the trinity pipe has a narrow powerband but it actually has one of the broadest spreads of power out there. 4x broader than your dynofart trail pipe. Seems like you're the one that's dazed and confused bub

I would also consider vitos superstock pistons. Proven 5-6hp

Meh. The more duration you give a pipe, the higher it will peak.To an extent. Like I said on the first page, you can't judge a pipe unless you have done many more tests than either of us have. IMO the pro circuits and the Trinity pipes would both be desirable in a drag scenario. The Trinity with the edge. I will agree with you that the pro circuit is a low-mid, but then again it iis hard to quantify a pipes power characteristics without knowing all of the factors involved like tuned length, diffuser and baffle cone angles, and others...With the exception of drag pipes (cpi, shear, rockets, rdz ect.), I would not hesitate to call the pro circuit a mid-top due to the willingness to overrev. All of this aside, i disagree with your statement about the Trinity piped bike losing in a drag race all other factors being the same. (Forrest Gump voice) And that's all I have to say about that.

Snop, the similarities I spoke of between the pro circuit and the trinity pipes refers to their broad power range. The trinity might come on a little later, but I believe they are both excellent all around pipes. IMO neither is in the same league as the dynopoop pipe.

Mods to said banshee? And the one with trinity pipes?

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The whole reason I got into this is because you say the Trinity pipe is crappy. I beg to differ. To me the dynoport graph you posted is in no way related to a pro circuit graph. The pro circuit would have revved far beyond the dynoport, maybe not quite as much as the trinity, but it'd be a lot closer than the scenario you projected.