well i do go to sandtoys and my pops is all rooster and i spent a lot less money than he did and my shee shits all over his 700r..i just said that about them cause anyone i know that goes to jack, that guy wont help anyone straight up unless u have cash money under his nose at least other ppl whether is sandtoys or not when you ask them for help no matter what it be they are all about it..jack has NEVER just spent time with any of his customers that i know unless it about putting big money into quads..not tryin to argue just thought id throw my opinion out there not that it matters haha u like dave and jack i dont ill just leave it at that..and for what Snopczynski said..when i ask for help on little things with sandtoys they help for FREE..everytime ive needed help sandtoys is all about it..they are very ppl friendly..and u basically proved my point..jack is all about money