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new food for thought If Jesus actually existed and did all the miraculous things he is said to have done then surely many people would have written about it during and immediately following Jesus' life. Writing was common at the time, yet an extensive search by many scholars over centuries has turned up nothing. The very few references to Jesus that allegedly date back to his lifetime are clearly forgeries, forged no doubt hundreds of years later by people who realized this embarrassing lack of evidence needed to be rectified (see Joseph Wheless Forgery in Christianity). Even if we ignore the evidence that they are forgeries, the very small number of these questionably authentic writings that allegedly date back to his alleged lifetime are still far too few. There should be a huge wealth of writing about this person that was written during his lifetime. Jesus allegedly had crowds of thousands follow him around. Once he fed 5000 people with only a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish (Mark 6:39-44). Later he repeated the miracle again feeding a crowd of 4000 people (Mark 8:1-9). Jesus cured sick people miraculously and raised people from the dead. He changed water into wine at a wedding reception. He exorcised demons. He commanded 2000 pigs to rush into a lake and drown themselves, inciting the people of the nearby town and countryside, who asked him to leave. (No mention is made of what happened to the poor pig hearder whose livelihood must have been ruined. Mark 5:1-20). Wherever Jesus went a crowd gathered and wondered in amazement who this person was. Jesus was a very controversial person. Finally he got himself into so much trouble that huge crowds of Jews demanded his execution. There was a controversial trial followed by his public execution. Three days later he is seen walking around alive again. And no one wrote any of this down when it allegedly happened? Even the earliest full account of Jesus in the Bible, the Gospel of Mark, is admitted by the Catholic Church to date to at least A.D. 70, a full 40 years after Jesus' alleged death and resurrection. (Mark makes reference to an event that happened around A.D. 70, so it could not have been written any earlier. Modern scholars now date the Gospels as being written near A.D. 170, a full 140 years after the alleged event, since no one makes any reference to a Gospel of Mark, or any other Gospel, prior to this time.) It's inconceivable that no one at the time bothered to write down anything about the most important person in the whole of human history. Writing was common back then. People wrote letters. Historians wrote commentaries on current events. The Romans wrote and kept legal documents about trials. It's considered one of the best documented periods of history. Yet no one wrote anything about this Jesus; no one painted a portrait of this Jesus; no one drew a sketch of this Jesus; no one cast a coin depicting this Jesus; no one made a statue of this Jesus; no one makes any reference whatsoever to this Jesus. The historical evidence is overwhelming

give us a rundown on how the logistics work, pitting for fuel, course marking, starting and time keeping. I want to do that race oneday, maybe me and BenBB can team up on it the first time, but I want to run a solo race evantually, same goes for baja!!! The logistics seem like a big hurdle or an expensive one anyway, what does the entry fees consist of. Let us know the total cost to do the race. Most of all GOOD LUCK!!!

Which means nothing since the bible is not a book of fact it is fiction! Like I said without the bible nothing supports creation.

forget about the bible and look at all the world and history and physical evidence and where does that point?? EVOLUTION Now whats left to support creation?? A book written by men and re-written for the last 2000 years. What makes more sence to belive without the bible nothing supports creation at all, nothing, ZERO. And you still belive it??? WHY?? evidence for evolution comes from hundreds of different sources and physical things, you can take several away and still come to the conclusion of evolution.

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This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first: John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary." Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us." Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ass?" John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll kick the shit out of you." Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?" John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass." Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..." Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?" Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..." John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us." Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?" Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..." Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?" John: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town." Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?" Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and he kicks the shit out of you." Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?" John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money." Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?" John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it." Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?" Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street." Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?" John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'" Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game." John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the shit of you." Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..." Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank." Me: "Then how do you kiss his ass?" John: "Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of His ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on." Me: "Who's Karl?" Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times." Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?" John: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself." ** From the desk of Karl ** Kiss Hank's ass and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave town. Use alcohol in moderation. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you. Eat right. Hank dictated this list himself. The moon is made of green cheese. Everything Hank says is right. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom. Don't use alcohol. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments. Kiss Hank's ass or he'll kick the shit out of you. Me: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead." Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper." Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting." John: "Of course, Hank dictated it." Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?" Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people." Me: "I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?" Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right." Me: "How do you figure that?" Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!" Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up." John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too." Me: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong." John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure." Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..." Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese." Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted*. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese." John: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!" Me: "We do?" Mary: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so." Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'" John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking." Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?" Mary: She blushes. John: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong." Me: "What if I don't have a bun?" John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong." Me: "No relish? No Mustard?" Mary: She looks positively stricken. John: He's shouting. "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!" Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?" Mary: Sticks her fingers in her ears. "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la." John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..." Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time." Mary: She faints. John: He catches Mary. "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater." With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off. Would you kiss Hanks ASS??

wasnt that the 12 dudes that followed jesus around? Hey rkc, how was that for genius??

See thats the reason these disscusions turn nasty, you turn you attack on the person and not the question. You made a halfass attempt to answer my question but still tried to discredit and attack me on a personal level. Why is that? why not just make an honest attemp at answering the question, I asked the question then gave my answer to it as an example in the hopes people could understand what it was I was asking. It was very simple, what would happen if God was proven to exist or not? I didnt say would people belive it, or would science try and prove it wrong. I didnt ask about your ideal of humanity's worth due to god. I am saying if god was proven to exist what would happen? If god was proven not to exist what would happen? By proven I mean either god himself came down and made it perfectly clear in our minds using his god powers that he was real, or the bible was with out a doubt proven wrong using time travel to see the begining and it was not as the bible says. So one more time, the argument of god cant be proven or disproven, so i am asking what happens if it was. We always argue about the existance but not the implacations of actual proof.

Ok a little different direction, the question is what would happen if it was proven there is or isnt a god. here is my answer: If god was proven absolutely to not exist, I think it would be good for mankind in general. There would be less wars, people would get off their asses and actualy do somthing to help themselves since they would know there is no god to do it. It would take time but it would be a good thing to happen, we could get on with life and not have to worry with what would jesus do. On the down side the economy would go to shit for a short time. Think of all the loss in revenue that religon brings, how much money does the vatican have? What does it cost to build all the ornate churches? How much money do old ladies send to evangilists? How much is made selling bibles? All the crosses and religous junk made and sold in the world. All that money would be up for grabs. Of course tell the pope he needs to give up all that money and power since there is no god. You prove there is no god and a huge power struggle will commence to get control of all that money and power. On the other hand if you could get all that money for cancer reaserch, convert the churches in to housing for the homless, use the vatican resourses for scientific reasearch. Think of all the good that could be done if we put all the time, money and effort of religon to other uses!!! We could already have a good space station, or people living on mars, cures for all sorts of ailments. Cloned body parts to help people with damaged organs or limbs, the list is endless!!! Now if god was proven to exist, the world would stop functioning as it does and we would all just pray alot and hope we die soon so we can go to hevan. I would not want to keep living this boring existance paying bills and taxes and working my ass off just to pass time untill I can move on to a better place!! I would be a thrill seeking junkie not caring if I die since I would be in a better place. What would be the point in making the world a better place, it would be a waste of time. I would just go to church and pray and do what the lord says then try and hurry to hevan!!

nope not what I meant. But all the evidence does lean toward evolution, and there is nothing to support that god had anything to do with it. That is just mans early attempt to explain where we came from. We did evolve, now the real question is why is it so hard to find evidence to support this claim showing evolution from sincle cells and amino acids all the way up to what we are today. Good example: If aliens came to this planet a million years from now and we are all gone, but they find a monoply game could they prove how it was made or the evolution of the came? How did the cardboard get made or the plastic pieces or the money, blah,blah,blah. I doubt it if we are gone and a million years has gone by to erase the factories and everything involved to make the game. Maybe they would conclude the God milton bradley made it from dust and left it for them so they would not be bored in space! Needless to say we know almost every aspect of the human body and how we grow. But since we can only show proof of our evolution back to a point, we must have been made by god!! I say we a re a lot more complicated than a monoply game so thats why we dont have all the evidence, most of it has been destroyed by time and the elements. that was a rambling post but oh well you get the idea. Almost 100 pages!!!

Tuff shit if they or you think I am mocking you, but I'm not, I just stated the fact nothing can be proven. I never said who was right or wrong just that you be smart enough to decide for yourself with the evidence available. Now as to being smarter tham Einstein, maybe I am in some respects, I do have a genius IQ but that dont say shit about how smart you are just that you test well. Anyway in todays world people who are in power must agree to religon or they wont be in power, and in the past if you stood up and said there was no god your carrer was done and possibly your life. Thats just how it is we all know it, if you are in the main stream the pressure to put on the beilef in god is vital to sucess. So who is to say anybody really belived in god out side of the public eye. There are many people who go to church and all that shit just to please others, I know some of my friends that dont belive in god but go to church just so their mom wont shit her self, it happens all the time. So if your saying that just because a smart person says they believe in god it must be true, then yeah you are stupid!! That is the whole point of my post, you have to be smart enough to make up your own mind on what is true or not, and dont base it on opinion or what someone else says, look into it your self and decide if the evidence supports what it says or not. That goes for god and science.

I thought I covered that already!! You cant make something from nothing is a fact, since matter cant be destroyed only re-arranged. So with that thinking it proves god is not top dog, since he couldnt have come from nothing. It's like the joke about how man can do anything and god sees it, then a doctor says he is just as good a god and he can make another man from dirt too and challanges god. God accepts and the doctor starts to gather dirt, but god stops him and says "No no no, make your own dirt". Well where did the dirt come from that god is made from? And the argument that he has always been there is invalid since there would have to be there before god to have always been there, so who created there to begin with and where did they get the stuff to make there anyway. Nothing can be proven absolutly 100%, science or god, but you have to be intellgent enough to examine all the evidence to come to the most likly answer for the truth.

style: Like I stole it!! where: anywhere I can get away with it! who: who ever can keep up!

well rkc, the reason we allways talk about it and bring it up and seem to care so much is thats how science and reasoning work. You always keep asking and always keep looking. Albert Einstein once wrote, "The important thing is to not stop questioning," if we just accept something as truth like the bible thumpers do how can we ever expect to improve our selves, how can we ever make new discovries?? If you remember the line from the men in black, something like"1500 years ago men knew the sun revolved around the earth, 1000 years ago we knew the earth was flat, 500 years ago we knew we were the center of the universe, 10 min ago you knew there were no aliens and we were alone. Just think what you will know tomorrow" somthing close to that anyway. My point is there is always more to learn about everything, once you close off your mind and refuse to look at the evidence you are done with life and become a mindless retard following the masses! And before you try and twist what I am saying and think I have closed off my mind to god, remember I said " once you close off your mind and refuse to look at the evidence " there is no evidence of god as of today, but once there is i will be very happy to look into it!!

Ok Ben dont forget that if you are buliding volume you can get parts for cheaper too, so 10k is probally right on the money after you figure in labor and overhead. Good idea but for now I will just keep looking for that lawn mower attachment!!!

hey helldriver here is a link for you, and all the bible belivers. If you read all this and still think the bible is 100% AND THERE IS A GOD then good for you!!! good ass link thats fun to read and makes you think, bible thumper!!

Ozone is produced naturally in the stratosphere when highly energetic solar radiation strikes molecules of oxygen, O2, and cause the two oxygen atoms to split apart in a process called photolysis. If a freed atom collides with another O2, it joins up, forming ozone O3. Most of the ozone in the stratosphere is formed over the equatorial belt, where the level of solar radiation is greatest. The circulation in the atmosphere then transports it towards the pole (see diagram). So, the amount of stratospheric ozone above a location on the Earth varies naturally with latitude, season, and from day-to-day. Under normal circumstances highest ozone values are found over places such as Canada and Siberia, whilst the lowest values are found around the equator. The ozone layer varies naturally with season. Over Canada is normally about 25% thicker in winter than summer. Weather conditions can also cause considerable daily variations. Ozone is also naturally broken down in the stratosphere. In an unpolluted atmosphere there is a balance between the amount of ozone being produced and destroyed and so the total concentration remains relatively constant. At different temperatures and pressures (i.e. varying altitudes), there are different production and destruction reaction rates leading to a variation in concentration. The highest ozone concentrations are in the lower stratosphere, between about 18 and 26 km. Ozone also occurs in very small amounts in the troposphere. It is produced at ground level through a reaction between sunlight and, e.g., gases emitted from cars. As a pollutant it should not be confused with the separate problem of stratospheric ozone depletion. that was found on google. Also a volcano produces more greenhouse gases in one eruption than all the cars on earth do in a year. we arent doing shit to cause global warming but it is happening due to natural cycles of the earth so no matter what we do it's gonna happen oneway or another.

dang Boy!! how did you slip in under the radar, I didnt know you was in here till yesterday, Josh pointed it out. And 114 posts already, you are a post whore!!! You need to take some time and show your dad how to log on to the NMDRC forum hahaha.. Have fun here and dont pay no attention to these assholes their all retarted anyway, they ride two strokes :baseball_w00t: If they give you too much shit we got your back, or you can hide out in the team forum Wide-Open Racing

couldnt agree more, but like you say the law is there but not enforced worth a shit.

I think you are very wrong, there would be more volunteers than would be needed. I would take a shift myself to help secure our borders, I have alredy done it before without the satisfaction of guarding our actual fence line. Belive me it would be alot eaiser to shoot someone to keep them out of your house if your standing in your front door watching them try and get in, rather than 7000 miles from home and being told it will keep them from going in your house down the road.

yep, still got em I think their in my tool box, I'll double check tonight and see what I got. Go over to our forum and post up you address in team chat and I'll send you which ever one looks best.

the national guard will cost us more money for an already taxing problem. I really think shoot to kill is a good idea, less people would die that way than what die now from heat exaustion. They are willing to chance the heat and the desert because they think they are tough enough to survive the elements. I doubt many people think they can survive being shot several times, so it would be a great deterant to cross the border ileagaly. And it has nothing to do with raceism, it has everything to do with patriotism. SECURE THE BORDERS!!!

the ends I have are all regular thread. I broke a reverse thread end.

I got three inners you can pick from!! Aint it a bitch, thats what happened to me out at southern lost the outter so all my spare inners are usless!!! At least it didnt happen during a race, now that really sucks!!!!!!!