what times do you think

[wesw]

-3.5 swinger with a some what of a wheelie bars.

 

dont know how shorter you can get than that.

 

im sure there are other variables to solve. tires, air pressure, gearing.etc

[blueshee03]

i,m with wes on the + 4 swinger.i think with the real short swingarm and wheelie bar being to short the rear wheels are actually being bounced off the ground when the front comes up and the wheelie bar hits the ground.the weight may be being transfered to behind the rear wheels instead of on top of them.also cut the air pressure in the rear tires .softening the rear suspension just a little could help give a little more traction also.

[23champ]

Take the bar off...I bet it won't spin then.