Y2kBanshee

Stock vs stock = Raptor 700 end of story. No need to post up anything more than this.

Who's talking only 450s? How about 700s? Take a 3 mod Raptor vs. a Banshee with exhaust, intake and jetting and I'll put my money on the 700 every time (which is comparable mods). I also didn't think a stock 700 that does 70mph out of the box was considered slow. Take a stock banshee vs a stock raptor and the banshee is left in the dust clouds. We can take it one step further and talk about suspension and handling but then you already know there wouldn't be a match. I love banshee's but don't talk non-sense saying 4 strokes are slow. If we talk the most common simple bolt on mods (the majority of riders do) the 4 strokes whip up on the banshees.

Not very fast? Since when?

Made poorly? How so? I think the stock suspension on the raptor is better than the stock banshee by far, has reverse and is pretty damn fast. I don't know who you ride with. 415lbs dry is unacceptable to who? What if the rider is only 135lbs is that going to mean much? Predator is another great machine.. are you a pro rider or somehing? You competeing for cash prizes when you ride? Actually you're wrong about cost. Two pipes, two carbs, top-end needs to be rebuilt more often, bore & hone cost, two pistons. Where is the 1/2 the cost savings? It actually cost more money to mod and maintain a Banshee I owned one; I know first hand. The only mod that is more resposive is pipes and intake and thats because the shee is so choked up from the factory. Anyway you missed my point in my previous post. Oh well.

I got rid of my shee for a Z400 . I'm not like you west coast guys that ride only dunes. I ride all-terrain, snow, mud, sand..etc I also live somewhere where we have 4 seasons and temps change a lot all the time. Re-jetting 2 carbs everytime the weather changes gets old real fast. I can careless about top-speed. Personally I like all the newer quads out there...If anyone is out there calling a $6000+ quad a piece of junk you need your head examined. Right now if you buy any top sport quad it's going to be good. I've never based my opinion by brand and never will. You can make any machine do what you want if you throw enough money at it...basicly what I'm saying is if you want to make a 4-stroke a drag machine you can or a banshee a trail machine..etc. I never could figure out why you guys always bitch about top speed mph and all the BS with calling machines junk..etc. Ride what you own and like it. You're the only one you need to make happy. Gain some riding skills... there is always room for improvement there. Your quad could do 120mph and that will not make you a better rider. Here is a wake up call for you guys worried about comparing quads. Make sure you read the last line. It all depends on what you want to do. http://www.atvconnection.com/atvconnection/400-shootout.cfm

I'm looking at getting another quad. I sold my 00' Banshee to a friend and now I'm looking at all "newer" quads and am having a problem picking one. I know all the details on all three choices. So, I guess I'll tell you how I ride and what you think would be the best fit. I ride pretty agressive. Love wheelies doing standups catching air once in awhile. I don't ride dunes often but will do some dune riding. Love doing modifications to my vehicles. Do alot of hill climbs and off camber riding. (www.badlandsoffroad.com) Water and creek crossings. Basicly everything except for heavy mud... I really hate cleaning. I linked a few pics of my quad and where I ride. Thanks for any input.