thanks everyone for the replies, the motors pretty strong for a stock banshee I suppose im not really sure I have nothing else to compare it to banshee wise, but I do find its has a weird balance to it, seems front heavy to me, but I also feel like the suspension was the last thing on yamahas mind when they designed the banshee, suspension action feels terrible, does anyone run fox floats on there banshees or is elka pretty much the go to experts for banshee suspension? the motors already pretty strong feeling so id rather put my money where its going to count most, and chassis and suspension seems like that's where its at, as for budget...well I don't really have one within reason ill sink whatever I have to into this thing into a bada$$ shee