Thats what i always thought but never asked. These cylinders are beasts tho! With the t5s the carbon fiber reeds tors kit, some good skats and a couple other bolt ons i was smokin cubs!! Had them all pissed talking about "we wont race u if u dont tell us what u got!!" Haha good old days!! Till inland started to come out to Dillon in the Coachella Valley on the weekends smokin everybody.