Thanks for your help. I am still convincing my dad to let me sell my dirtbike. He said i had to ride a quad before I buy one. He has a friend from work with 2 raptors, a yzf450, and a qaudsport 250, we go riding with them sometimes, so i am hoping they will let me ride one of theirs. I am thinking i will probably only be able to afford a late 80's banshee, but I heard they use j-arms instead of a-arms. Is this bad? What is the difference? Thanks, Kevin