blowit Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Hey guys, some of you guys likely remember us. We designed and manufactured several innovative products for the Banshee platform. We are still around, still making parts, but we got bit with the "copy cat" deal, and ultimately China. A few guys up in the Northern states decided to take a dive in trying to make our parts. They chased inferior but cheaper methods, and ultimately sent some parts to China to get made, not realizing how China works. China LOVES to make yow pahts because they get prints and design data, and it only took a few months before China was selling them directly in the USA.... Yes, we mostly had to shut phones down because we were getting too many calls about product issues and they were not even our parts! I don't have time for that BS! No, we are far from out of business, but we simply had to walk away from this space for now. We lurned.... There are a lot of people that want to bash your product, then go try to copy it. I guess it comes with the business but I think we need to stick with engineered components where most copycats can't walk. But enough with the rant there, most everyone we dealt with in the Banshee space, including Mr. HQ Tyler, has been super to work with! I can still mostly put a Banshee together blindfolded, but some of you have me beat! We really enjoyed finding unique problems that needed solved and you guys were part of that story! I am not saying we won't return, but if we do, it will be quite different. I guess part of getting away from this space is not being in contact with our customers that bought our parts! I take that part serious and we are still trying to figure a way to open a channel for those folks. But I know we worked to make quality products that last, not make the cheapest, so hopefully those parts are still out winning races. B 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murder_banshee Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 I spoke with Brandon on the phone yesterday and it was a pleasure to talk with him for several minutes and to hear his story. It is very apparent that he is extremely knowledgeable in his field and it is too bad that scammers got their way and drove him away from the ATV scene. Good to hear from you Brandon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawa110 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Can I still obtain a mull billet water pump gear, and waterpump? Mac daddy good quality? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted December 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Just now, kawa110 said: Can I still obtain a mull billet water pump gear, and waterpump? Mac daddy good quality? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No, unfortunately we are not currently selling any ATV parts. And Mac is one of our copycats. I could tell you things I very much don't like about their manufacturing, but that would just be helping them...lol Sadly, we had an extremely innovative Banshee head we wanted to bring to you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawa110 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawa110 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Anywhere to get get “quality” billet water pump gear? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted December 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 hours ago, kawa110 said: Anywhere to get get “quality” billet water pump gear? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Has that become questionable on them? I think China picked those up but I have not personally inspected one yet. I did see one made in the states (I think), and looked like angry beavers made it, but I didn't measure anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawa110 Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 I don’t know. I purchased one and installed it. Haven’t ran bike. Seemed okay spinning it prior to mounting the cover. I felt the mull I installed wqs smoother. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 What's up Brandon?! Yea, the copy cat market is unreal now. You can hardly tell the difference and people have issues all the time. It sucks, but like I have always said, cheap Banshee owners created the market. Now they're crying about it. That's what they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murder_banshee Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, locogato11283 said: What's up Brandon?! Yea, the copy cat market is unreal now. You can hardly tell the difference and people have issues all the time. It sucks, but like I have always said, cheap Banshee owners created the market. Now they're crying about it. That's what they get. Exactly, when are people finally going to realize that reliability and quality don’t always come cheap? Sad to see innovative companies like Mull Engineering take the hit like they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialblend07 Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 Didn't Chariot come here not too long ago claiming the same thing about someone here knocking him off? Sadly, this sport is nothing like it was, and new products are non existent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, specialblend07 said: Didn't Chariot come here not too long ago claiming the same thing about someone here knocking him off? Sadly, this sport is nothing like it was, and new products are non existent Yea, Rattle Can Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
registered user Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 rattle ray knocked off chariot ? i thought he was just reselling chariots clutch covers as a distributor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted December 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, locogato11283 said: What's up Brandon?! Yea, the copy cat market is unreal now. You can hardly tell the difference and people have issues all the time. It sucks, but like I have always said, cheap Banshee owners created the market. Now they're crying about it. That's what they get. Hey Tyler! I really didn't stop in to whine and cry, just stopping in to say hi to all the Banshee die hards! I think you hit the nail on the head though regarding "cheap Banshee owners". It is a fact the Banshee has been out of production a long time, so people now see it as cheap horsepower....key word....'cheap'..... There is nothing wrong with that, but the pennies just got tighter and tighter. But as a point of reference that might help people understand, most billet impeller shafts are being made with TG&P bar. That is "turned, ground, polished". That is basically a long rod that is 'centerless ground'. Because other features need machined, they used a softer bar so they could actually machine it, and the word "stainless" in many people's mind means "better".....In many applications, it is NOT! Anyone buying or making 'stainless' head bolts? No..... and there is a reason. In my career, I want to make the 'best', not 'cheaper than the other guy'. The OEM impeller shaft works just fine! The issue was that plastic head, and for several reasons. Some here might recall that we started building a replacement press-on impeller head to save the customer money. The problem was we had a massive influx of calls asking for a shaft because their aftermarket one was toast. So we dug in. What we came up with was the right solution IMO. I am not going to detail how we do anything, but that shaft was about 10x more wear resistant, and 3x stronger than any stainless shaft, plus it was center ground, so concentricity was on point. There were probably about 10x steps and several processes to make that shaft, compared to China's ONE. In hind sight, we maybe should have focused on 'cheaper', but I don't like call backs or failures. We had many side covers inhouse to try to predict the OEM tolerances, but we wanted that pump running tight for a reason. There was actually (still is) a rev2 on the books....where it will stay. In short, we can move WAY more water. But as an aside, China is continuing to destroy America and I don't think people really see it. They steal and copy technology daily. Then sell it right back to the people they stole from! I could write pages of documented theft from the biggest corporations in America! If you won't send them a print, they will hack your company files and get prints that way! Going WAY beyond our silly Banshee parts, China is working to disassemble America. They are doing it with TikTok and other platforms as well as continuously steal. What I suspect happened with our drive gear is a guy up North thought he would be smart and send one to China. They hacked out some copies for him, followed shortly by parts direct from China. There is a reason we will NEVER send our stuff to China. This the scam that people don't understand. But anyway, merry Xmas bishes!!!😁 B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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