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Swingarm length & Suspension setup for Ice

Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:04:54 +0000

I’m looking at building a 4 mil strictly for ice riding and after searching for days, I still haven’t found an accurate answer / suggestion for swingarm length and a good suspension setup.

Being that all posts I found were from 15+ years back, I’m hoping that new light can be shed on this topic.

For those of you riding & racing your Banshee on ice, what is the swingarm and shock / suspension set up that you’ve found to work best?

Also, I absolutely love my ported 421 Cub for the dunes and I’m thinking of going for the same set up on ice. Any input on this?

TIA!

Seeking some pointers to teach my son

Wed, 22 Jun 2022 10:43:32 +0000

My 10yo son is into his first year of flat track racing an LT80. His quad is faster than most of the others out there and soon to be faster with the CT pipe and jack moore build I have coming. But he is getting squirrely right around the middle of each turn. I see the same issue with the larger quads with much more seasoned riders.

He is able to get loose into the turn but right around the middle to 2/3rds into it he looses the drift and it kicks back in on him. He loses a lot of momentum there. And I see it happen with a lot of people but others seem to have overcome that issue.

I don't really know how to work on that with him because I'm not out there doing it. What causes it and what should I have him work on more?

Thanks in advance

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Upper Michigan Ice Racing Association

Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:56:08 +0000

This Saturday (1/9/21) is the first race of the season in Gwinn MI. Come on out bring your friends! $5 per carload for spectators!

Registration starts @ 9am EST

Practice 10:30-11:30 EST

Racing @ 12:00 EST

This is a land based ice track so there is no worry of thin ice or breaking through. There is a class for everyone from kids to adults. We race both studded and non studded (rubber) ATV's, studded dirt bikes, pit bikes, and new to this year studded golf carts. Sorry no SXS. (insurance reasons)

What setup y’all running

Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:55:59 +0000

Getting back into racing been 6-7 years. New to this page

New to flat track

Fri, 24 May 2019 20:14:21 +0000

Hey guys im just getting into flat track racing. I dont have alot of money so I'm looking for a cheap but decent build. I have tbe +2 a arms already, still need swing arm and motor set up ideas. Any help would be great.

Easy swap for couple runs

Sun, 19 May 2019 02:11:40 +0000

Thinking about taking my set up and doing the easiest swap for 2 races a year for pavement mountain race. Current set up is 4mil heavy trail port with long travel front and +3 rear axle and +2 swing arm. How well will it do swapping in a r6 shock and keeping the +2 length arm. And for front i think the stock shocks with the long travel will lower it enough to match.

First time flat track questions

Thu, 09 May 2019 14:49:33 +0000

Hey all, local dirt track here is having an atv flat track race for the first time in forever, the guy said it's all ages and skill levels just to see the interest in making this a regular thing out there, thinking about running my Shee out there but unsure, it's stock other than pro circuit pipes, and pod filters, I have the original dirt tires on it, but my backs are 22's with not much tread, race is tomorrow night, should I try and find some tires before then and if so what size and what tires do y'all like best that's not a straight flat track tire? Or should I just run it how it is and go slow and see what happens? Thanks guys

Sway bar set up for banked 3/8 mile oval

Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:50:47 +0000

Just wondered how people set there sway bars up do u want more pressure on your inside rear to help into turn or outside rear or neutral

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Looking for used Flat track parts i.e. stabilizer bar

Tue, 07 Aug 2018 02:34:17 +0000

I'm looking to get into flat tracking my banshee...I'm looking for a stabilizer bsr, maybe A-arms, -2 swingarm. Lmk.

Shift star on override

Tue, 01 Jan 2019 02:39:42 +0000

Ive got one of Joes Molinari 2-5 N down overrides. The previous owner tossed a modded shift star in it and forgot if he got it cut down for the 2-5. Is this okay to run or do i need to trim off the pegs for 1st and 6th..

Flat tracks near SW PA?

Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:08:06 +0000

Hey ladies, I'd like to get into flat track but wasn't sure if there is any near me. Little south of Pittsburgh .

Idk if anybody is in this area and races . I can't find anything on teh googles

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The best and easiest way to set a shee up for flat track racing?

Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:16:43 +0000

My friend and I are trying our hand at flat track racing, what would be somethings to do to the shee to make it competitive?

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Losing power: HELP?

Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:56:19 +0000

So I know the easy answer to my problem, get the holeshot! Now that we got the smart ass part out of the way, my issue...

When I get in behind a group of guys, all of the snow/ice dust is making me lose half of my power. Motor is a 10mm serval. Shearer sb inframes. 35pwk w/ 6" pods (no outerwears).

Normally running egt's around 1200 (I like to play it safe). When I get in the snow cloud and lose power, egt's are around 7-800.

My 2 guesses are snow moisture clogging air filters? Or all that ice hitting the pipes and cooling exhaust too much? Any thoughts or opinions to fix this problem?

You can hear the bike not revving up like it should in the video.

https://youtu.be/BIbzyCOEXU4

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Wheel size for flat track

Sat, 03 Sep 2016 22:31:27 +0000

Just got some front American racers that I want to mount up. What offset and size wheel should I use? Stock offset, and width? Thanks

Flat Track/TT in TX?

Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:28:25 +0000

just looking to getting into racing this fall. however trying to find ATV tracks in general are hard to find much less anything not MX or XC. im located at fort hood but willing to travel to dallas/fort worth area down to Austin. any help would be appreciated.

Any flat track races

Wed, 06 Jul 2016 23:18:09 +0000

Are there any flat track races in northern alabama or southern tennessee

Not good

Mon, 02 May 2016 02:54:27 +0000

Well my return to racing left me hurt and a totaled bike. I have no clue what to do now. Money is tight and I have a baby due in a month and now the bike needs a compete rebuild.... But it seemed really really fast

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Return from the dead.

Fri, 15 Apr 2016 04:08:55 +0000

Well I'm planning on racing april 30th, last time I raced the banshee was 2012 I think. It's not the same bike anymore, she sat outside behind my shop for well over a year and she will be coming back to life soon

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Ice setup and gearing

Tue, 02 Feb 2016 14:26:22 +0000

I finally got my suspension setup so I can hook up on our short track that I usually race at, now I'm trying to figure out gearing.

I'm currently running 16/39

Our normal track is about 1/4 mile, I'm using 4-5 gears. It feels decent but I haven't tried much else.

Did 2 races on a 1/3 mile track this year. 5-6 gear. Barely got into 6 before letting off for corners.

This Saturday I'm going to a 1/2 mile track. I ordered a 17t front. Will this be enough or am I going to want more gear on the straights?

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Ice Racing Banshee Setup (no link swinger?)

Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:49:07 +0000

Setting a 421 Cheetah Shee I got for ice racing this winter. I have lots of questions. Mainly thought, I'm curious to a no link swinger on one. I have works shocks on this thing (not sure of length in rear). I would like to get a shortened swingarm for it. I have the option of getting a no link setup for a very good price thats shortened 2.5 inches with a roundhouse carrier.

Ive read many posts from long ago that guys have moved their upper shock mount on the rear rearward an inch or two to run a stock shock on linkless swingarm. The bike will most likely only see dirt oval and ice oval. Im just curious if this is a viable option or not, I have no issues with welding on some new tabs and gussets to save a few bucks and being able to use a stock ish rear shock.

Pro quad Lemoore

Mon, 07 Sep 2015 22:55:03 +0000

Banshee places 3rd from starting in last

http://youtu.be/AuM-hu_0Zjk

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action shots ! lets see em

Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:25:36 +0000

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520 Super cub half mile corning IA

Tue, 12 May 2015 04:59:13 +0000

Although it was 10 years ago it still makes the 4 strokes look silly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbR01SytAy8

Opinion on ride height

Thu, 04 Jun 2015 04:28:18 +0000

Been reading alot of your articles on ice and dirt suspension setups. Awesome info cheers, haven't put quad on scales yet to soft out balance and still waiting on parts. Hear a some photos of my shee what are your thoughts

And these photos are of my competition. What are your thoughts on there set up

New to flat track info need(Australian)

Fri, 08 May 2015 05:01:30 +0000

Wassup I own a banshee and I'm getting into flat track racing mainly speedway and dirt circuit if no speedway quad classes are on.

The main reason I'm posting this is our rules are very different/gay and possibly different track sizes.

MY LOCAL TRACK: it's a extremely well maintained motorcycle speedway track ie 500cc solos and side cars. Track length is 300 metres(985 feet) width on straights is 13 metres(42 feet) corner width is 15 metres(50 feet). Track surface is a dolomite, crushed granite clay mix. Depending on the race event track maintained every 5 heats/races and each race only consists of 4 quads.

OUR RULES: banshees are not allowed to exceed 350cc, from tyre to tyre max width is 13inchs, correct guarding and plastics , full rider gear and kill switch with lanyard. (race fuel allowed)

MY QUAD: 350cc banshee with 20thou over TDR ultra light weight Teflon coated pistons, minimal porting just cleaned up, exhaust port timing raised, ADA coolhead with 20cc domes, boysen reeds, reed spacers, 28mm dellorto race carbs, procuircit pipes, adjustable timing plate +2, custom G3 racetech suspension and I'm running hoosier tyres allround

PARTS TO COME: alba +2 +1 arms, -2 swingarm, swaybar and rear lowering kit

INFO NEEDED: engine mods to get the most out of stock cylinders, can I run current suspension, outside tyre offsets, gearing and general set up

Note all my competition stay in 4th gear start the race in 2nd

Sway bar material

Sat, 04 Apr 2015 06:36:01 +0000

Hey guys new to the fourm and wanting to get Ito flat track. I'm a machinist and have any cnc/manual lathe/ mill at my disposal. I was just wondering what you Guys are making that actual sway bar out of. And where you guys are mounting them. Thanks for any help in advance

Budget shocks

Tue, 07 Apr 2015 02:26:29 +0000

Hey guys looking to get out on the track and see if I like it on a budget. I don't wanna waste the money. But what would be a good donor shock to get the bike nice and low. I'm gonna try tt and flat track and I don't wanna use lowering kits.

sway bar for sale ?

Fri, 27 Jun 2014 04:04:33 +0000

Hi everyone im new to the forum and im kicking around the idea of racing flat track and im in search of a sway bar that wont break the bank. Anyone know where i can find one or really interested in a used one for my 01 banshee thanks.

im so confused on ice tires

Sun, 10 Nov 2013 04:29:14 +0000

so, this will be my first year "racing" on the ice this year, and I don't know what to get. after reading and researching for about 6 hours I decided to just post the question im assuming the c826 18X9.5-8 for the rears. but what rim would go on those? would it be 8x8 rim then? or is there a different 18inch cheng shin tire out there that im not seeing. then for the front I don't know what to go with? what would be a good tire for someone to start with?

Finally got my junk running right

Mon, 19 Jan 2015 00:29:38 +0000

My normal race series was cancelled this morning due to standing water on the ice so I drove 3 hours north to the Central Wisconsin series. This is my first time racing up there and I'm not quite set up on suspension yet but I was pretty happy with a 3rd place finish. I think if I had been a bit more aggressive in the turns I may have been able to do better...

Pretty cool Rath 450r

Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:49:04 +0000

http://dirtwheelsmag.com/home-page/flat-track-racer

Suspension setup for ice?

Mon, 19 Jan 2015 00:49:00 +0000

Got my motor all dialed in, now suspension needs some serious work.

I only race oval. Roughly 1/3 mile track

Current setup is

-Front Stg 1 Elkas

-LSR +3+1 arms

-Swaybar

Rear

-Rebuilt stock shock (PEP spring and internals. Can post specs if it helps)

- -1 swingarm

When on the scales do I want all 4 corners equal? More on front or rear? More on 1 side?

I currently have about 1/2" toe in on the front, keep or change?

What about camber? they're tilted in pretty far at the top right now.

Flat Tracking My Tri-Shee....YES....TRI-SHEE!

Sun, 05 May 2013 19:41:17 +0000

First, I have been ice and mx racing 3 wheelers for the last 3 years. Started out riding a modded 250 Tri-Z on the ice, then built my 310 mx bike for the jumps, and now we have built Trish....my stock bore, F.A.S.T. ported, 4mil, banshee powered 3 wheeler!! We built this bike originally for the drags, just because I had the parts laying around. After some seat time, I soon found it to be the BEST handling 3 wheeler I've ever ridden, and BY FAR the fastest thing on the track! I have done everything but mx with this bike so far, and it has won all but 1 race that I have entered with it (finished 7th at Pine Lake....the FIRST time I ever raced it...out of 20 guys). Won best bike build, and the open class drags at TrikeFest 2012. Even Won the first Ice race I entered with it, out on lake sacandaga, against a $20000 TPC with a pro aboard. Anyway, Here are some pics of her on clay, and a few set-up for trails (what a blast in the woods!!). Let me know what you guys think. I have fabbed a jig to build these frames in, and currently have 5 more in the works.... IF anyone out there wants one of these bad boys! enjoy the trike porn!

Wifes 250Z, My 250Z, My 310 MX bike, Trish, first appearance.

Some good practice laps runnin with Jackie Meadows.

Final round of TF12 Open class drags.

Southern Wisconsin Ice Racing

Thu, 01 Jan 2015 15:27:04 +0000

Southern Wisconsin Ice Racing

2015 schedule

Jan 11th

Jan 18th

Jan 24-25

(Alan Johnson Memorial)

Feb 8th

Feb 15th

Feb 22nd

On Lake Wisconsin @ Remi's Thirsty Moose

N3135 County Road V
Poynette, WI

http://www.swiraclub.com/

Supermoto wheel/tyre sizes

Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:08:38 +0000

About to buy some wheels and tires for a supermoto Banshee. I saw this video and you can see that 3 of them have smaller/narrower wheels and real low profile tires. Has anyone got a set up similar to these ones? If so would you mind sharing your wheel size and tire profiles please?

Prefered way to get wider and lower?

Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:10:10 +0000

Im going to be setting my shee up for flat track and ice racing, Im starting to look into what im going to do with my front end and finding a lot of options.

Whats the best way to get to the correct width and ride height? Ill be using yfz450 shocks

a arms

wheel spacers

offset rims

Lowering and widening kits that change a-arm mount location

Lowering and widening kits that change shock mount location

also using a sway bar with any of these?

Who are these Wisconsin ice racers?

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:46:04 +0000

Just wondering of the couple banshees in this video are some fellas off BHQ?

Vintage Phillips/Krause superquad

Thu, 07 Aug 2014 16:50:31 +0000

The fellas in Europe have been running quads like GP classes for years. I was digging around and bumped in to this ol gal. Havnt read much on it since I was a kid. It's the kinda stuff that got me started so I figured I would post it up to see if any one else got to drooling.

This is the later phillips stuff, ktm550

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flat track ?s

Thu, 15 May 2014 11:20:10 +0000

ok so I am thinking about giving some flat track a whirl. ive never done it before but looks fun, im just clueless as far as setting it up and id like to not buy all new shocks since I just bought new ones lol . any info or tips would be appreciated obviously ill need tires... I have read around a little bit just want some pointers im trying to keep it semi cheap my truck is sucking the life from me at the moment. any tracks near central pa?

modding r1 shock

Fri, 21 Mar 2014 00:55:29 +0000

Do they make 12mm lower bushings or do you guys just take your time and drill them out